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Mark · 21-10-2007, 22:45

Surely not. Sounds like farce to me given all the other stuff that's gone on this season, but I guess we'll wait and see.

Garp · 21-10-2007, 23:46

If he gets it this way I wouldn't be surprised to see teams walk. The teams are already highly suspsicious of Bernie's British bias. If this went in Hamilton's favour teams will see it as Bernie pulling strings.

Flibster · 21-10-2007, 23:57

Thing is - chilled fuel is a massive advantage - up to 10 bhp
Even worse - as the fuel is more dense, less time is required in pitstops to allow the same amount of fuel to flow.

If they get disqualified then it will be a massive shame, but to be fair, people have been disqualified for it in the past so they should know not to push that rule.

10°C below ambient temps maximum....

Although word is starting to come out that there has been NO punsihment at all. So evidently it's now ok to ignore that rule. Good to know for next year.

Any other way that the FIA want to favor anyone other than McLaren?

Although, if the FIA do indeed deem customer cars to be illegal later this year, then Sato's 7th place in Canada could be removed, which would give Hamilton the point there...and then the championship.

Del Lardo · 22-10-2007, 01:10

As much as I would have loved to see Hamilton win the world championship him winning in these circumstanced would elevate F1 to the complete farce that the Tour de France has become.

I cannot believe that the small differences in temperature would have made any difference to the ultimate result. McLarren threw away the world championship with some truely dire choices in China and Brazil and while I'm not a Ferrari fan I was pleased to see Kimi winning at last.

There is pressident for the teams to have championship points taken away but not the drivers and I hope that if punishment is deemed necessary this is what the FIA decide to do.

Del Lardo · 22-10-2007, 01:15

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/63567

All over?????

Mark · 22-10-2007, 04:31

McLaren are going to appeal. No surprise there I guess. Given how popular McLaren are with the FIA I think there's only one possible result there (the right one IMO, but not because of McLaren's popularity).

Garp · 23-10-2007, 19:03

The entire thing is a difficult situation. I guess the right decision should be made, the teams penalised, or they risk other teams messing about like that. There is precedent for action in two different ways though, drivers lose positions, or constructors points ditched. I suspect in interests of stopping the whole situation from being a farce, the latter is what they'll go for. They surely can't afford to not penalise for that offense or risk everyone doing it next season. If the drivers lose their places then I hope Hamilton refuses the world champion title. Even the most optimistic assesments I've seen in motor sport press puts the cold fuel advantage as being in the region of a few seconds for a lap or two until the fuel is up to temperature; so at best say 10 seconds advantage by the end of the race. Thats not enough to have made a difference to Hamilton.

Mark · 23-10-2007, 19:16

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/7056308.stm

Even though I happen to agree that the title should should stay where it is (and so does Hamilton, it seems), I see Alonso had to stick his oar in again. WTF does it have to do with him anyway?

Feek · 23-10-2007, 19:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garp

If he gets it this way I wouldn't be surprised to see teams walk. The teams are already highly suspsicious of Bernie's British bias. If this went in Hamilton's favour teams will see it as Bernie pulling strings.

LOL! Bernie couldn't be any more biased towards Ferrari if he tried!

kaiowas · 23-10-2007, 20:17

Bernie's only bias is towards his bank account and he can be relied upon to make whatever decision will make him the most money.

21-10-2007, 23:46	#12
Garp Preparing more tumbleweed Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Hawaii Posts: 6,038	If he gets it this way I wouldn't be surprised to see teams walk. The teams are already highly suspsicious of Bernie's British bias. If this went in Hamilton's favour teams will see it as Bernie pulling strings. __________________ Mal: Define "interesting"? Wash: "Oh, God, oh, God, we're all gonna die"?

21-10-2007, 23:57	#13
Flibster Moonshine Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 3,388	Thing is - chilled fuel is a massive advantage - up to 10 bhp Even worse - as the fuel is more dense, less time is required in pitstops to allow the same amount of fuel to flow. If they get disqualified then it will be a massive shame, but to be fair, people have been disqualified for it in the past so they should know not to push that rule. 10°C below ambient temps maximum.... Although word is starting to come out that there has been NO punsihment at all. So evidently it's now ok to ignore that rule. Good to know for next year. Any other way that the FIA want to favor anyone other than McLaren? Although, if the FIA do indeed deem customer cars to be illegal later this year, then Sato's 7th place in Canada could be removed, which would give Hamilton the point there...and then the championship. __________________

23-10-2007, 19:03	#17
Garp Preparing more tumbleweed Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Hawaii Posts: 6,038	The entire thing is a difficult situation. I guess the right decision should be made, the teams penalised, or they risk other teams messing about like that. There is precedent for action in two different ways though, drivers lose positions, or constructors points ditched. I suspect in interests of stopping the whole situation from being a farce, the latter is what they'll go for. They surely can't afford to not penalise for that offense or risk everyone doing it next season. If the drivers lose their places then I hope Hamilton refuses the world champion title. Even the most optimistic assesments I've seen in motor sport press puts the cold fuel advantage as being in the region of a few seconds for a lap or two until the fuel is up to temperature; so at best say 10 seconds advantage by the end of the race. Thats not enough to have made a difference to Hamilton. __________________ Mal: Define "interesting"? Wash: "Oh, God, oh, God, we're all gonna die"?

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kaiowas The Stig Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Fightertown USA Posts: 1,458	Bernie's only bias is towards his bank account and he can be relied upon to make whatever decision will make him the most money. __________________ Anal Fish Porn

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21-10-2007, 22:45	#11
Mark Screaming Orgasm Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Newbury Posts: 15,194	Surely not. Sounds like farce to me given all the other stuff that's gone on this season, but I guess we'll wait and see.

22-10-2007, 01:10	#14
Del Lardo Absinthe Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cambridge Posts: 2,539	As much as I would have loved to see Hamilton win the world championship him winning in these circumstanced would elevate F1 to the complete farce that the Tour de France has become. I cannot believe that the small differences in temperature would have made any difference to the ultimate result. McLarren threw away the world championship with some truely dire choices in China and Brazil and while I'm not a Ferrari fan I was pleased to see Kimi winning at last. There is pressident for the teams to have championship points taken away but not the drivers and I hope that if punishment is deemed necessary this is what the FIA decide to do.

22-10-2007, 01:15	#15
Del Lardo Absinthe Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cambridge Posts: 2,539	http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/63567 All over?????

22-10-2007, 04:31	#16
Mark Screaming Orgasm Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Newbury Posts: 15,194	McLaren are going to appeal. No surprise there I guess. Given how popular McLaren are with the FIA I think there's only one possible result there (the right one IMO, but not because of McLaren's popularity).

23-10-2007, 19:16	#18
Mark Screaming Orgasm Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Newbury Posts: 15,194	http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/7056308.stm Even though I happen to agree that the title should should stay where it is (and so does Hamilton, it seems), I see Alonso had to stick his oar in again. WTF does it have to do with him anyway?