So..... running

[SidewinderINC]

Originally Posted by LeperousDust

Its a way of testing how much you're pushing yourself.

You misunderstood my question.

I was asking why lostkat feels that she can't talk whilst jogging.

Originally Posted by lostkat

Because I'm concentrating on breathing. If I start talking, I'll lose my breathing rhythm and then I get out of breath and it all goes to pot. I feel quite comfortable but I just couldn't hold a conversation whilst running along.

If that's the case then you won't be in anaerobic phase, as you've said you're concentrating on your breathing. I found that when I started running I was concentrating so much on running and holding a rhythm that I would be holding my breath for periods of time and then taking deep breaths - stupidly

[Pheebs]

I am *exactly* the same Kate... I mainly jog at 9.5 too for 15-18mins and I'll be damned if I can utter a word! I used to watch Will and Grace when I went as it would completely distract me... the problem is I would often start to laugh and as soon as I laughed I would lose my rhythm and pace and breathing and go doubley red (if that's possible) and flag. Sometimes when that's happened I have had to slow the machine down to level 7 thingy and just regather myself for a minute, but even then I struggled to survive the next 5minutes.

I could probably... at a push... say hello. But it would sound more like:

"heeuuargh"

I tend to have to do mine in two separate runs. I will do 15-18mins (which ends up 20mins with warm down) at the start, then weights, then another 15mins at the end. I couldn't... for the life of me... do it altogether. Maybe I need to slow it down too

Sidewinder - if Kates experiencing what I do you just get completely out of breath (end up being a bit gaspy) and wheezy and lose pace and then struggle through the rest of the run.

Can I ask a dumb question? You know machines are set at levels? (ie what level you run) Are they kmph? As in if I'm running at 9.5 then I'm doing 9.5kmph? Or what? I never know what it all means.

Someone was running at level 13 infront of me the other day for the same length of time I was doing my 9.5. I wouldn't have felt bad, but she was about 75years old Boooooooo!

[Tak]

Originally Posted by Pheebs

I wouldn't have felt bad, but she was about 75years old Boooooooo!

I can't even run for 1 minute so you're doing better than me

[BBx]

Originally Posted by Pheebs

Someone was running at level 13 infront of me the other day for the same length of time I was doing my 9.5. I wouldn't have felt bad, but she was about 75years old Boooooooo!

OMG that is sooooo depressing!!! If I went anything over 12kph I swear I would fall off the treadmill!

That advice that Kate found sounds about right. When Rob was training for the marathon it didn't seem like he was running that fast and he knew he could run quicker but obviously you have 4hrs to do so you can't really sprint at all.

When we used to go out 'running' I would be full pelting it and he would be barely breaking into a run, but thats because there is nothing of him and he has longer legs than me even walking to work I take two steps to his every one.

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[Admiral Huddy]

Theoretically yes. I practise no.

Fat burning requires less heart activity and therefore you require less oxygen than cardio vascular, so yes you should be able to conduct a conversation whilst jogging albeit slightly distorted. However, you still need a regular supply of oxygen in order to perform at your best. You need to maintain a heart rate of around 65% - 80% BPS. Cardio requires 80%+ (iirc)

Something I do which maintains a fat burning pace is to count to one hundred loud and increment the count each time your right foot is placed on the ground. This is great way of keeping track of your pace and takes your mind off the run. It's a method I've always used since my tracks days

Speeding the count increases the pace and so on.

I tend to mix it running up a bit. A gentle run for a few miles, then towards the end pick up the pace, then have a mile sor so sprinting and slowing down (recovery).. then a strong finish! Joints permitting

I can still run a 6 minute mile

[BBx]

Yeah I need to start interval training again, sometimes I need variety to make the time go by quicker, last time I did 5kph for 2mins then 8kph for 5 mins.

See how I feel this lunchtime.

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[Roberta]

This all depends on your goals Kate. There are loads of theories about calorie deficit per session versus fat burning zone (some people think that there is a 'fat burning zone' where you burn more fat and that you will lose more fat overall while training in this zone while others say that the overall calorie deficit of the session is what is required to lose the weight, meaning that you could run for 40mins in your fat burning zone or 20 faster but burn the same calories meaning that you would therefor lose the same weight).

Basically it all comes down to how you want to train and what your goals are. If you are happy training at a faster pace then do it.

The lady I train for running likes to take it at a low pace and go for longer distances. As we've trained her speed has naturally come up meaning that we're covering longer distances in the same times. Up to now I have been making sure she maintains a pace she can talk at but have started throwing in some faster paces. The only way to really find out if you are running at a conversation pace is to go running with someone else! I will soon be going running with the kids' dad as he has a hard time keeping a slow paces and tends to run to burnout!

[Admiral Huddy]

Yeah I have to agree.. I'm not so sure about the "Fat buring zone" because after all it's all about a balance with your diet etc. I prefer to push myself hard and set various goals and targets (weights and cardio). When I hit them, I raise the bar. As said above, you need clear objectives of what you want and where you want to be. For example, are you running to become a decent runner or simply as part of a fitness programme?

[Belmit]

I think there's a bit of confusion over jogging and running. If I went out for a jog, I wouldn't be going very fast at all, and a conversation would be easy. For me I'd say a jog would be less than 8km/h. When I run at the gym my casual running speed is about 10.5km/h but I'd be pushed to talk for any length of time, and it would be between breaths. At my 90% speed of 15.5km/h I could probably get a few words out but I'd be struggling.

The only way to better how far/fast you can run IMO is to set a course (if outside) or a set distance on the treadmill and try and maintain the same pace to the end. If you have to stop before the end (or slow to a walk when outside) then you're going too fast and need to start out steadier. The first time I went out running I tried to run to the playing fields, do one lap and come back again. I had to stop and sit on the bench when I got there, and after the lap as well, so clearly I'd started out way too fast. Now I could run there, do ten laps and back and have my breath back in a couple of minutes.

The key for me was running far slower than felt right when I set out - when you first start you feel like you could run forever, but two minutes later you'll be out of breath and wondering what the hell you're doing. Start slowly!

[BBx]

Originally Posted by Belmit

At my 90% speed of 15.5km/h I could probably get a few words out but I'd be struggling.

You run at 15.5km/h!!!?!!?

OMG I would be launched into orbit if I ever got to there!!!

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