Yay Website is up! WOOT! - Page 3

LeperousDust · 28-01-2008, 11:25

Pheebs using flash for the gallery and game might be good, but he could have just integrated the flash into a perfectly normal website. I just don't see the reason to go flash, i'm not trying to rip this apart honest, i'm just being over critical i guess. Learning flash and actionscript when you don't know anything about them will be much harder than learning XHTML & CSS (which is what you'll probably learn most of website courses), so as for taking control yourself i think you'll have quite a ways to go...

Desmo · 28-01-2008, 11:41

I agree with Alex. If you want to be able to change this yourself, it would have been easier with a normal HTML & CSS based site rather than flash.

Haly · 28-01-2008, 13:11

Very nice

Although I do agree with Alex also.

Pheebs · 28-01-2008, 14:24

*eak*

I wish I fully understood what's being said... but I don't cos I'm a MOOSTER! Hehehe!

I will send an email to Duncan tail end of this week with some of your comments tagged in it (if that's okie?) If it would look good without flash and things then YAY! When I did the webby I said to Duncan:

"I would like it to look like this *showed drawings of pages etc* and scrolly from each page to the other." I then went on to explain the gallery bit and games in depth (need to be able to slide open boxes and things)... and then he agreed to put it together. I did say "what way you going to do it" and he said flash was best... so I just accepted it and went along with it!

Boo.

I should of got one of you chaps to have done it

Pheebs · 28-01-2008, 14:25

*worried she is going to spend £500 - £700 on a webby that will not be updateable and look poo*

petemc · 28-01-2008, 14:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pheebs

*worried she is going to spend £500 - £700 on a webby that will not be updateable and look poo*

You haven't. It looks great as it is and while I haven't used Flash properly in a few years I'm perfectly sure he can make it so you can update it. What the others are saying, and its something I've believed in for years, is that its technically better to have a normal website with flash elements integrated into it. I say technically because its still a raging debate in web design. Full flash or integrated. I think the site looks great and hopefully is as updateable as you want. If he uses the swfobject I mentioned you can put things in for SEO. The thing is, are you looking to sell via the website or is the website just there for clients you plan to approach?

HollyThirtyFive · 28-01-2008, 14:38

It looks really good so far, so any improvements and I wouldnt worry as there is no way it could look poo! I look forward to playing the games hehe x

Haly · 28-01-2008, 14:39

Don't worry, the site looks great

So you haven't wasted your money!

Mark · 28-01-2008, 14:41

Don't worry - if you specified the requirements then you're paying him to to the job you asked him to, which I'm sure he has and is continuing to do.

I agree with the others unfortunately. Flash certainly has its place, and I've no problem with that, but overuse of flash, especially when the job can be done perfectly well without (albeit with the loss of some of the fancy scrolling effects) is one of my pet peeves, and I do have good reason for that. Please don't take this the wrong way. The site looks good as it is, but if you decide you need to take a small change in direction then better sooner rather than later.

Why dislike? Mostly because it's an accessibility nightmare - especially for people like me who want to be able to use big fonts and/or screen readers (which convert text on the page into speech), neither of which is really possible with flash. It also means users who can't or won't install flash are effectively banned from your site. It's likely both of these groups are going to be a very small proportion of your target audience of course, so whether or not you see this as a problem is up to you.

PS - instead of relaying this stuff, would the admins abject if you offered Duncan an account here? I suspect probably not, though there's also the problem of how he would take the comments.

Haly · 28-01-2008, 15:19

Summed up perfectly there I think Lozza

28-01-2008, 11:25	#21
LeperousDust Bananaman Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Liverpool/Edinburgh Posts: 4,817	Pheebs using flash for the gallery and game might be good, but he could have just integrated the flash into a perfectly normal website. I just don't see the reason to go flash, i'm not trying to rip this apart honest, i'm just being over critical i guess. Learning flash and actionscript when you don't know anything about them will be much harder than learning XHTML & CSS (which is what you'll probably learn most of website courses), so as for taking control yourself i think you'll have quite a ways to go... __________________

28-01-2008, 11:41	#22
Desmo The Last Airbender Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Pigmopad Posts: 11,915	I agree with Alex. If you want to be able to change this yourself, it would have been easier with a normal HTML & CSS based site rather than flash. __________________

28-01-2008, 13:11	#23
Haly Do you want to hide in my box? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 14,941	Very nice Although I do agree with Alex also. __________________ Halycopter

28-01-2008, 14:24	#24
Pheebs Deep Throat Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 6,512	eak I wish I fully understood what's being said... but I don't cos I'm a MOOSTER! Hehehe! I will send an email to Duncan tail end of this week with some of your comments tagged in it (if that's okie?) If it would look good without flash and things then YAY! When I did the webby I said to Duncan: "I would like it to look like this showed drawings of pages etc and scrolly from each page to the other." I then went on to explain the gallery bit and games in depth (need to be able to slide open boxes and things)... and then he agreed to put it together. I did say "what way you going to do it" and he said flash was best... so I just accepted it and went along with it! Boo. I should of got one of you chaps to have done it __________________ http://www.spiffingdesigns.co.uk

28-01-2008, 14:25	#25
Pheebs Deep Throat Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 6,512	worried she is going to spend £500 - £700 on a webby that will not be updateable and look poo __________________ http://www.spiffingdesigns.co.uk

28-01-2008, 14:38	#27
HollyThirtyFive Tinkerbell Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Burgess Hill, West Sussex Posts: 743	It looks really good so far, so any improvements and I wouldnt worry as there is no way it could look poo! I look forward to playing the games hehe x __________________ Debut album "Waking Up" Avaliable on all iTunes stores, Amazon Mp3 Special Hand Made Ltd Edition: £10 via Paypal

28-01-2008, 14:39	#28
Haly Do you want to hide in my box? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 14,941	Don't worry, the site looks great So you haven't wasted your money! __________________ Halycopter

28-01-2008, 14:41	#29
Mark Screaming Orgasm Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Newbury Posts: 15,194	Don't worry - if you specified the requirements then you're paying him to to the job you asked him to, which I'm sure he has and is continuing to do. I agree with the others unfortunately. Flash certainly has its place, and I've no problem with that, but overuse of flash, especially when the job can be done perfectly well without (albeit with the loss of some of the fancy scrolling effects) is one of my pet peeves, and I do have good reason for that. Please don't take this the wrong way. The site looks good as it is, but if you decide you need to take a small change in direction then better sooner rather than later. Why dislike? Mostly because it's an accessibility nightmare - especially for people like me who want to be able to use big fonts and/or screen readers (which convert text on the page into speech), neither of which is really possible with flash. It also means users who can't or won't install flash are effectively banned from your site. It's likely both of these groups are going to be a very small proportion of your target audience of course, so whether or not you see this as a problem is up to you. PS - instead of relaying this stuff, would the admins abject if you offered Duncan an account here? I suspect probably not, though there's also the problem of how he would take the comments. Last edited by Mark; 28-01-2008 at 14:43.

28-01-2008, 15:19	#30
Haly Do you want to hide in my box? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 14,941	Summed up perfectly there I think Lozza __________________ Halycopter

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