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Old 22-11-2007, 10:05   #31
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I agree (and I'm guilty of this too) that a one off 2 word comment doesn't help.
To be fair, the opening post was a 2 word comment, one of which was starred out
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Old 22-11-2007, 10:45   #32
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He's just being given a swift kick out of his job as I post this. Scapegoat tbh.
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Old 22-11-2007, 11:00   #33
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He's just being given a swift kick out of his job as I post this. Scapegoat tbh.
Not really, he played an inexperienced goalkeeper in an extremely important match, and then tried a tactic he hadn't really experimented with before. Important matches are crap times to experiment.

The team played crap and they should be ashamed of themselves because they could, and have, done so much better. But on the tactics side of thing, they should have been a lot better organised.

Edit: £2.5m pay off for getting fired....no wonder he did his job so crap.
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Old 22-11-2007, 11:09   #34
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He's just being given a swift kick out of his job as I post this. Scapegoat tbh.
Not really. He simply wasn't good enough.
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Old 22-11-2007, 11:09   #35
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No he's not a scapegoat.. he didn't have the greatest reputation or record .. He got Middlesborough to a Uefa cup final in that's it really. His appointment was always a but naff.. Some heads sould fall at the FA HQ too.. but as I said before, some changes need to be made to the English football at club level for things to improve. Stop paying average players like Lampard, Gerrad etc world class wages might be a good start...
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Old 22-11-2007, 11:14   #36
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Scapegoat obviously wasn't the word I was looking for, not sure what was, and I'm going to butt out as I know very little about the game - don't even know the result except that we lost.

Kitten, you're absolutely right in my case - I shouldn't have posted here. Sorry.

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Old 22-11-2007, 11:25   #37
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In my opinion....

Football is no longer a sport, hasn't been for years. It's a business. If teams could find a way of making the same money without playing a game, they would. No support for home grown players as it's easier to buy in overseas talent. And what players there are, as fantastically overpaid and don't appear to have to answer to poor performances.

That's why I have such a cynical view of the sport.

And I shall also back out from the thread, as true enough, it's not the place for that kind of rant
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Old 22-11-2007, 11:30   #38
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Stop paying average players like Lampard, Gerrad etc world class wages might be a good start...
Lampard and Gerrard *are* world class players, when they're playing for their clubs, I don't think anyone can deny that. It's obvious however that their games are very similar and that they have real trouble working together. We need a manager to come in and do one of two things....

1) Find a system that suits them both and gets the best out of both of them.
2) Have the balls to drop one of them and play them alongside a holding midfielder, having the other on the bench as an impact substitute.

We also lack strength in depth. This may be because the reserve players simply aren't good enough, or it may be because they don't play at international level enough. I personally think players like Lescott and Bridge are good enough for international level (though they were poor last night), but they could do with more experience to help them play to their club form more often. We pretty much know our best players, so why not play the fringe players from the start in friendlies, instead of giving them 45 minutes (at most) which isn't generally enough for them.

I'm happy McClaren has gone. We need someone like Mourinho to come in and take over. He's not afraid to make difficult decisions that leave star players on the bench. He's not afraid to change things early in the game if the situation demands it (like after 20 minutes last night). He deals with the media brilliantly, something our National manager needs to do. And he'd have the support of the nation, which is vital for an England manager.
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Old 22-11-2007, 11:33   #39
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Grr how bloody frustrating and ultimately disappointing. Once we got to 2-2 I thought we may have had a chance of holding on for the draw, if only we could play like Italy and just shut up shop for the last 15 minutes and keep the ball.

Glad Mclaren is gone though, his short term as England manager will be defined by terrible decision-making and inept tactics, no excuse really, the only times we've played well has been when selection has been forced by injury/suspensions, his 'bold' decisions have back-fired every time.

Dunno who would do a better job though, quite depressing really.
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the only times we've played well has been when selection has been forced by injury/suspensions, his 'bold' decisions have back-fired every time.
Aye, was thinking the same thing, like when injuries forced McClaren to pick Barry and Heskey and we actually played well for a change.
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