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Just got back..
Spoiler Alert! - Highlight below to read! Wow.. an amazing film, really well put together, good balance between action and plot. Coming back from the film I find myself in two minds about whether I want a third one.. they've done such a good job of portraying the universe that I don't want it to be sullied. If they do a third I think they should leave it there for sure. Would be interesting to see them dip into the Dark Batman universe possibly? He's so close to the line it would be easy to make it plausible? Heath's portrayal of the Joker was superb, a performance that will be hard to beat by anyone, the character came across as an exquisite blend of psychopath, anarchist and intelligence. I loved the played for kicks bits like with the hospital explosion, but found it was more the little bits like the odd skipping step as he left it that made the character complete. It's a damn shame to see an actor that's been coming into their prime with their recent performances die with some of their potential unfulfilled. He should absolutely be Oscar nominated for it, the performance is more than worthy.. is it the best acting of this Oscar year? Not sure, I haven't seen enough of the other critically acclaimed films yet to make that kind of judgement. End Spoiler Alert! Quote:
That really didn't sit particularly comfortably with me. The impression of the city from the first film was it was pretty dark and grimy place, all of a sudden they've transformed it into a typical american city. Was surprised to see no monorail, none of the major things from the first film in fact, Wayne Towers.. no mansion and so on was fine / logical, but the rest? Also who'd not notice Alfred and Bruce going in and out of some random shipping container on a routine basis? Any PI or curious journo worth their salts would have tracked that and figured it to be suspicious behaviour for a multi-millionaire. End Spoiler Alert!
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02-08-2008, 18:39
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Saw it yesterday and I agree with Garp in some respects.
Spoiler Alert! - Highlight below to read! Could they, should they do a 3rd? How do you top this? Do they go darker and push him over the edge only to save him in the final 30 minutes? I think that would really be a great film and a good conclusion. He's not Spiderman, or Superman. He's not loved by the city. He's now a cop killer, technically speaking and hated by many. I really enjoyed the little things in it. In previous Batman films he gets pummeled and it doesn't affect him because he has some gadget to get out of it. In this you can see that he's just a man. He bruises, gets bitten and the Joker goes to town on him with a crobar. You see that it all takes its toll. I loved the Batpod. I had no idea it came out the Tumbler. The way he took down the truck, and then spins off the wall like he's just flipped a pancake. I loved that the Joker's theme was simply a chaotic sound that built up. I've been listening to the soundtrack and it works so well. Two-face was some seriously good makeup. I didn't get the way the Joker played Batman until I read it on a forum. The Joker tells him the location of Rachael and Harvey, Batman runs out saying he's going after Rachael. Of course he would. He gets there and saves Harvey. I just thought that Batman changed his mind or something but the Joker played him. Thats really harsh and shows just how much better this film is than the other Batmans. In Batman & Robin theres a similar dliema but of course he's a superhero and saves them both. End Spoiler Alert!
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03-08-2008, 10:57
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There is no Wayne Towers in this film as it is burn to crisp in Batman Begins. At the start of the film, Alfred says (words to the effect) 'I can't wait to see you not sleeping at Wayne Mansion, instead of not sleeping at Wayne Penthouse' something like that... can't find the actual quote though... but Wayne Manor is being built. ALFRED "CAN’T WAIT TILL WAYNE MANOR IS FINISHED BUILDING."  End Spoiler Alert! BB x |
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03-08-2008, 12:12
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Good film, but too long. Got bored about 90mins in. IMO, they could have made two decent films from what they had.
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03-08-2008, 12:23
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O_o How? It would have been a bad idea to split it.
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03-08-2008, 13:01
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I didn't even notice it was two and a half hours. First film in a long time where I haven't looked at my watch partway through.
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03-08-2008, 13:49
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Wayne Towers != Wayne Mansion. The Wayne Mansion got burned to the crisp in the first one, the Towers, where the Wayne corporation operates from wasn't.. but you never saw the outside of it in this film unlike the first one, despite the fact that it was fairly central to the whole city, with the monorail system going through it and so on. I know its probably a small thing not to show the outside of a building, but it was just part of what added together to make it feel (to me) like a different city End Spoiler Alert!
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03-08-2008, 13:53
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Spoiler Alert! - Highlight below to read!
From what I remember you see Wayne Towers twice. Its very different. Its basically a rectangular block with no monorail system. I guess they decided to save money on the cgi. The monorail system was partly destroyed around the tower though so maybe they took it out. Maybe that was also being repaired and this was Wayne Towers 2. The dude is rich enough to have a backup sky scraper. End Spoiler Alert!
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03-08-2008, 19:32
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Saw it last Wednesday, loved it.
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03-08-2008, 20:18
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Saw this and i'm openly surprised. Really really good and I'm glad that the director captured the essence of Batman so well. Best film I've watched in a long time.
If they are going to do a third then they will have to tread carefully. With the way that hollywood is at the moment I can really see it happening. |
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