Poker discussion thread... - Page 9

Matblack · 19-04-2008, 01:55

Yep

5 places paid 60, 36, 24, 18,12

MB

Matblack · 19-04-2008, 16:03

Current balance 178euros

Playing 2/3 table games at 3/5 euros almost exclusively now.

MB

Matblack · 20-04-2008, 21:02

Well I played a lot today, usually running a low cash table along side a tourney, upshot is 280 euros on the bankroll, I'm pretty happy with that considering the most I can lose in a tourney is 3/5 euros, the cash tables seem a little more profitable but its east to lose your head, if you go tilt on them then you could lose a lot.

At some point I need to either graduate to true multi table tourneys or hight stakes 2/3 tables but I can't quite get over the fact the 10 euros seems a fair sum to lose :/

MB

Grandad · 20-04-2008, 22:24

I enjoy tourneys more but as you say cash is easier to make money, you just have to try and avoid playing too many hands out of boredom

if you play multiple tables then you should be involved somewhere most of time

killerkebab · 26-04-2008, 19:12

Did I make a mistake here? (I know I won the hand, but bear with me)
Started off, got dealt AA, I'm 4 places left of dealer so in middle position wise.

Raised the BB by 10p (so 20p), called by two players. Lets call them A and C (call me B, since I am second to act by now)

Flop is Th 8d Qd. Player A puts 50p in. I consider my AA to be too good to fold, I raise to £1. Other player does a simple call.

Turn is Ts. Player A checks, I check (afraid of someone having a 10), and player C goes all in (~£3). Goes back to player A who calls the all-in. I decide to not only call player Cs all-in, but raise it so that it puts player A all in too.

River is 7c. Since we're all-in (well I'm not but they are), player A shows Qs 6s, and player C mucks, leaving me to win the ~£16 pot.

Hurrah for me, but I do have a couple questions:
Would you have done the same?
What do you think player C (who made the all-in in the first place and is the only person not to show anything at the end) had?
Why the hell would player A call all-in with a pair of queens?

Grandad · 26-04-2008, 21:37

I would have made my initial raise bigger, one caller is optimal against aces

again after flop my raise may have been a bit bigger, with 2 diamonds on flop you don't want flush drawers to have pot odds

again after the turn and player A checking I would have made a bet of 50-75% of the pot

player C prob had A-x diamonds

why did A call an all in with a pair of queens and a small kicker , cos he's a muppet tbh

killerkebab · 26-04-2008, 21:39

So I dodged a bullet from player C, but I can't work out why call with the queens :/

Grandad · 26-04-2008, 21:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by killerkebab

So I dodged a bullet from player C, but I can't work out why call with the queens :/

online poker is full of idiots, I certainly wouldn't have called

killerkebab · 27-04-2008, 01:58

Sorry to ask loads and loads of questions, but...

I left the stats thing running for a month without a reset and wondered if the numbers are good:

The amount of times I bet seems very low - but then I don't win any more than half the showdowns I get put into. Lack of aggression?

Davey_Pitch · 27-04-2008, 02:45

Just checked my own stats, and I win 16% of games, but I only see 22% of the flops (38% of the flops I see I win), so my personal play is obviously much tighter in that I'll only play premium hands. I think I'm aggressive when I'm playing though, as I bet 9% of the time, and raise 13% of the time, though that's easier to do with premium hands.

Personally, I think if you're seeing 51% of the flops you're playing too many hands. That's just my opinion though and I'm by no means an expert player.

19-04-2008, 01:55	#81
Matblack Baby Bore Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Svalbard Posts: 9,770	Yep 5 places paid 60, 36, 24, 18,12 MB __________________ "we had roots that grew towards each other underground, and when all the pretty blossom had fallen from our branches we found that we were one tree and not two"

19-04-2008, 16:03	#82
Matblack Baby Bore Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Svalbard Posts: 9,770	Current balance 178euros Playing 2/3 table games at 3/5 euros almost exclusively now. MB __________________ "we had roots that grew towards each other underground, and when all the pretty blossom had fallen from our branches we found that we were one tree and not two"

20-04-2008, 21:02	#83
Matblack Baby Bore Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Svalbard Posts: 9,770	Well I played a lot today, usually running a low cash table along side a tourney, upshot is 280 euros on the bankroll, I'm pretty happy with that considering the most I can lose in a tourney is 3/5 euros, the cash tables seem a little more profitable but its east to lose your head, if you go tilt on them then you could lose a lot. At some point I need to either graduate to true multi table tourneys or hight stakes 2/3 tables but I can't quite get over the fact the 10 euros seems a fair sum to lose :/ MB __________________ "we had roots that grew towards each other underground, and when all the pretty blossom had fallen from our branches we found that we were one tree and not two"

26-04-2008, 19:12	#85
killerkebab Vodka Martini Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bristol/Reading Posts: 656	Did I make a mistake here? (I know I won the hand, but bear with me) Started off, got dealt AA, I'm 4 places left of dealer so in middle position wise. Raised the BB by 10p (so 20p), called by two players. Lets call them A and C (call me B, since I am second to act by now) Flop is Th 8d Qd. Player A puts 50p in. I consider my AA to be too good to fold, I raise to £1. Other player does a simple call. Turn is Ts. Player A checks, I check (afraid of someone having a 10), and player C goes all in (~£3). Goes back to player A who calls the all-in. I decide to not only call player Cs all-in, but raise it so that it puts player A all in too. River is 7c. Since we're all-in (well I'm not but they are), player A shows Qs 6s, and player C mucks, leaving me to win the ~£16 pot. Hurrah for me, but I do have a couple questions: Would you have done the same? What do you think player C (who made the all-in in the first place and is the only person not to show anything at the end) had? Why the hell would player A call all-in with a pair of queens? __________________

26-04-2008, 21:37	#86
Grandad Old Git Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,016	I would have made my initial raise bigger, one caller is optimal against aces again after flop my raise may have been a bit bigger, with 2 diamonds on flop you don't want flush drawers to have pot odds again after the turn and player A checking I would have made a bet of 50-75% of the pot player C prob had A-x diamonds why did A call an all in with a pair of queens and a small kicker , cos he's a muppet tbh Last edited by Grandad; 26-04-2008 at 21:40.

20-04-2008, 22:24	#84
Grandad Old Git Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,016	I enjoy tourneys more but as you say cash is easier to make money, you just have to try and avoid playing too many hands out of boredom if you play multiple tables then you should be involved somewhere most of time

26-04-2008, 21:39	#87
killerkebab Vodka Martini Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bristol/Reading Posts: 656	So I dodged a bullet from player C, but I can't work out why call with the queens :/ __________________

27-04-2008, 01:58	#89
killerkebab Vodka Martini Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bristol/Reading Posts: 656	Sorry to ask loads and loads of questions, but... I left the stats thing running for a month without a reset and wondered if the numbers are good: The amount of times I bet seems very low - but then I don't win any more than half the showdowns I get put into. Lack of aggression? __________________

27-04-2008, 02:45	#90
Davey_Pitch I iz speshul Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Liverpool Posts: 6,296	Just checked my own stats, and I win 16% of games, but I only see 22% of the flops (38% of the flops I see I win), so my personal play is obviously much tighter in that I'll only play premium hands. I think I'm aggressive when I'm playing though, as I bet 9% of the time, and raise 13% of the time, though that's easier to do with premium hands. Personally, I think if you're seeing 51% of the flops you're playing too many hands. That's just my opinion though and I'm by no means an expert player. __________________ Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that most frightens us. Your playing small does not serve the world. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you. We are all meant to shine as children do. It's not just in some of us; it is in everyone. And as we let our own lights shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others.

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