So..... running - Page 118

BBx · 16-09-2011, 20:09

thanls jmc

will reply properly when i get home.

7m tonight

4.35 in 40mins
3 in 28mins

1hr 8mins total.

BB x

jmc41 · 16-09-2011, 20:16

Not long in myself, just over 5 miles in just under 43 mins. Decent times above, pretty much dead on a 2h half speed wise, assuming the course is actually 13.1 and not 13.5 as I've heard they can be.

Was that flat?

BBx · 18-09-2011, 17:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmc41

It might be easier for you but I normally run after work or if on hols late morning so not used to getting up and going.

I've never taken on liquids during a run. I'd again go for whatever is normal though, and avoid the first overcrowded tables!

Good luck! Do you have a goal of 2h or so or just "finish"?

Yeah you are right about the getting up early thing...too late for that unfortunately

I didn't read your post properly the other night.

I can run for over an hour without liquids... I would rather not have liquid sloshing around inside me... I think I will just drink enough to hydrate me for the race but not too much - will leave the drinking till the end

Well... taking into consideration my practice runs and my 10k I thought I might be able to do it sub 2hr BUT it never occured to me that there would be hills, what the weather would be like or how I will feel on the day. I have been training pretty flat on a treadmill but I have been doing weekend runs outside (living in London is poo

- there are no nice places to run - locally that is, its polluted, and now its getting dark again you have to watch your back so running outside after work isn't an option).

So initially was happy with coming in before 2hr 30, but am hoping its sub 2hr 15m

this time next week I will be done!

(hopefully!)

Just been out with advice from Reevo (LostKat) to do 5m as the weather was ok here and would be good to get out on the road one more time.

I actually did 6.7m :/ when I mapped it just now on mapmyrun - I also foolishly did some of the course (I live practically next to the course so all of the road closure signs are now up) so now I know where some of the evil hills are... eeek!

Feel better for doing it though - thanks boss!

BB x

jmc41 · 18-09-2011, 18:28

I was presently suprised actually, got up 6:15 and ended up running about 9:40 and stomach etc... all fine. Was also 13C, very pleasant conditions and a fair few other runners (mainly overtaking me :P)

Left knee is another story, but I got in 9 miles and while glad I didn't try more glad I got at least that done and going to concentrate on recovery now.

I've done runs after 2 week holidays where it wasn't an option before (ie: Ecuador - mainly on a small boat) so I'm not too worried about takig it all off, but I do have the Doc appt. a week monday and he's the sports expert so will see what he says.

If I don't post before then, great luck for next Sunday!!

Jonny69 · 18-09-2011, 18:47

Wightlink Challenge yesterday. Just got home and had a nap. Wow, brutal run. In fact, the whole event was brutal and the biggest physical challenge I've taken on.

The 18 mile ride was genuinely off-road. The terrain was extremely hilly and through long grass, mud, rocky paths and a few miles on road. There was next to no flat stuff and the hills were an incredible challenge for everyone. Views up at the tops of the hills were amazing. I've never ridden off road before and coming down the hills at full tilt with the bike skipping all over the place, banging over rocks and getting some pretty serious air was amazing. And I did it on a single speed with no suspension, what an idiot

Oh yeah, and when you're hammering it down a hill flat out on the grass next to a golf course and think one of the humps they put in might be fun to ride over and get some air, don't forget there might be a deep bunker on the other side. I'm not entirely sure how I got away with that one, but I jettisoned the bike and manage to land in the sand without getting hurt

The canoeing was an utter hoot. 3 miles in the estuary. One of the girls on my team was an ex rower and obliterated all 3 of us put together. I was at the back rowing and steering because technically I should have been the strongest, but when she got going I couldn't hold the boat in a straight line no matter what I did

Then the run. 8 miles. NOTHING could have prepared us for it. Huge incline changes, huge terrain changes, more mindblowing views, heat, hills, forest paths, road, stones, water, sand, beach, and did I say HILLS?

We were planning to stick together, but it became evident that two of us were quite a lot faster and couldn't hold back at the slower pace. I certainly wouldn't have managed the distance running that slowly, so we ran on ahead and finished about 20 minutes ahead. We then ran back and picked her up about a km back. I got distracted by the blackberries so stopped for a free feed on a corner, then all of a sudden Amanda nearly ran into us, face lit up and we all started whooping and cheering and ran the last bit back with her so we could finish as a team

Total time was about 4 hours and we finished halfway through the field. But it wasn't about the time; for us it was about the event and having some serious fun, which it was. There were some teams taking it quite seriously and they really took offence at us which was comedy, but then there were also some other amazing teams there who had a total blast like us. Also crazy to see that if we'd run the whole run at our main pace we'd have actually come in the top 10

But as I said, that's not what it was about for us.

Getting emotional now. Totally amazing weekend with amazing company and pushing ourselves way beyond anything I ever thought I could do. Would I do it again? Maybe. I've done it now and perhaps I need to move on to the next challenge. I'd definitely recommend it to anyone.

lostkat · 18-09-2011, 18:55

Well done BBx

You will be brill!

Unfortunately training on the treadmill just can't even compare to doing it outside, because you're more used to the hills and the weather if you've trained outside and they don't phase you. However, I do understand why you've done your training the way you have.. and I do have quite a bit of respect for that because after 15 mins on a treadmill, I want to hurl myself out of the window

Like I said in my text, next time you're up I'll take you for a nice countryside run. I can't guarantee flat though as it's far from flat around this part of Leicestershire

In terms of drinking, I always drink during races over about 10k and I think you should at least try because you'll need it. You don't need to drink much, so you won't have water sloshing around inside you and it shouldn't make you need a wee either because you'll be using the water you drink. Just take a sip and wet your mouth. You'll be amazed at how much difference it makes, especially if you're hot and tiring a little. All I'm saying is don't dismiss it completely as it could affect your racing if you're running dehydrated. I briefly stopped at a pub today during my 10 mile run for a mouthful of water and splash my face. I was really flagging because I was too hot and it pushed me through the last 3 miles.

Make sure you get all your hydrating done the day BEFORE the race, so you're not drinking gallons on race day morning. Do drink on race day morning, but stop about an hour before the race and make sure you join the loo queue well before you line up. The last thing you want is a porta loo visit during the race.

So many things to think about

Well done on your run jmc

I did 10 hilly miles today after marshalling for a local 10K race. Had breakfast about 7am, then a banana and a couple of jaffa cakes around 10ish before running at 1pm. I find that as long as I don't eat 3 hrs before I run then everything's fine.

I've been struggling a lot since May this year. I did Windermere Marathon, which I was happy with because I hadn't trained for it, then we went on hols for 2 weeks. I ran a couple of times, but not much. However, when I got back I was ill with synusitis for a few weeks and it knocked me for six. I'd also put on a stone since Christmas.

I lost a lot of fitness and speed and because of that, I lost my mojo too. I didn't stop running, I just didn't enjoy it and didn't seem to be making much progress. Things are finally starting to improve though, and apart from an awful half marathon last week, I'm slowly getting quicker and finding things easier. I'm also lugging around almost a stone less than I was in July which has made no end of a difference to how it feels to run.

I ran well today, but I'm desperately hoping for a marathon PB by the end of the year... and that means taking 43 seconds per mile off my current 10 mile pace... EEK!!!!!

lostkat · 18-09-2011, 19:00

Sounds like an utterly brilliant race Jonny. Well done

It's amazing when you do something like that and come away with such a huge sense of achievement

I do fancy the events where they swap the swim for canoe instead, as I'm not massively keen on swimming. I got asked if I'd do a short one sometime in November, but it clashed with a 14 mile cross country event which I LOVE, so I couldn't do it.

Jonny69 · 18-09-2011, 20:26

I've always said I'd never run a marathon but I've got the idea in my head now. I think it might be next year's challenge. I'm going to do a Grim 10 at Aldershot at some point because I think it looks like a hilarious day out in the cold, but after that I think I might see about either upping the distance or switching to hill running. I LOVED the mad off road terrain and impossible climbs

petemc · 19-09-2011, 11:58

BBx - I agree with Lostkat. Anything over a 6 mile run and I'll take water. I don't drink a lot just a few sips here n there. It's amazing how much get's thrown away at an event.

Jonny - Sounds like an incredible event, aside from the impossible climbs

Lostkat - I'm sure you'll knock those 43 seconds off

I did my last LSR yesterday. 20 miles. It was hard going and emotional. My right calf muscle felt like it was going to explode at around 14 miles. I walked a bit and it just felt like it would go. I was tired and on the verge of breaking into tears. It was just so tough. I plodded on and made it to 20 miles. My average pace dropped from 12:30 to 13:00.

The best thing was that I didn't throw up this time.

Im confident, just about, that I can do the 26 miles but it's a very long time to be running.

jmc41 · 19-09-2011, 14:02

Glad you've at least lost the being sick part Pete. Are you still on the jelly babies? Might be worth taking something else if you're out there over 4 hours your body is going to suffer.

Good job for getting it done though, especially when you haven't really been running that long. Take it easy now, is it the 2nd October in two weeks so the taper now?

18-09-2011, 18:47	#1175
Jonny69 Noob Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Socialist Republik of Kent Posts: 5,032	Wightlink Challenge yesterday. Just got home and had a nap. Wow, brutal run. In fact, the whole event was brutal and the biggest physical challenge I've taken on. The 18 mile ride was genuinely off-road. The terrain was extremely hilly and through long grass, mud, rocky paths and a few miles on road. There was next to no flat stuff and the hills were an incredible challenge for everyone. Views up at the tops of the hills were amazing. I've never ridden off road before and coming down the hills at full tilt with the bike skipping all over the place, banging over rocks and getting some pretty serious air was amazing. And I did it on a single speed with no suspension, what an idiot Oh yeah, and when you're hammering it down a hill flat out on the grass next to a golf course and think one of the humps they put in might be fun to ride over and get some air, don't forget there might be a deep bunker on the other side. I'm not entirely sure how I got away with that one, but I jettisoned the bike and manage to land in the sand without getting hurt The canoeing was an utter hoot. 3 miles in the estuary. One of the girls on my team was an ex rower and obliterated all 3 of us put together. I was at the back rowing and steering because technically I should have been the strongest, but when she got going I couldn't hold the boat in a straight line no matter what I did Then the run. 8 miles. NOTHING could have prepared us for it. Huge incline changes, huge terrain changes, more mindblowing views, heat, hills, forest paths, road, stones, water, sand, beach, and did I say HILLS? We were planning to stick together, but it became evident that two of us were quite a lot faster and couldn't hold back at the slower pace. I certainly wouldn't have managed the distance running that slowly, so we ran on ahead and finished about 20 minutes ahead. We then ran back and picked her up about a km back. I got distracted by the blackberries so stopped for a free feed on a corner, then all of a sudden Amanda nearly ran into us, face lit up and we all started whooping and cheering and ran the last bit back with her so we could finish as a team Total time was about 4 hours and we finished halfway through the field. But it wasn't about the time; for us it was about the event and having some serious fun, which it was. There were some teams taking it quite seriously and they really took offence at us which was comedy, but then there were also some other amazing teams there who had a total blast like us. Also crazy to see that if we'd run the whole run at our main pace we'd have actually come in the top 10 But as I said, that's not what it was about for us. Getting emotional now. Totally amazing weekend with amazing company and pushing ourselves way beyond anything I ever thought I could do. Would I do it again? Maybe. I've done it now and perhaps I need to move on to the next challenge. I'd definitely recommend it to anyone. __________________

18-09-2011, 18:55	#1176
lostkat Good Cat Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,550	Well done BBx You will be brill! Unfortunately training on the treadmill just can't even compare to doing it outside, because you're more used to the hills and the weather if you've trained outside and they don't phase you. However, I do understand why you've done your training the way you have.. and I do have quite a bit of respect for that because after 15 mins on a treadmill, I want to hurl myself out of the window Like I said in my text, next time you're up I'll take you for a nice countryside run. I can't guarantee flat though as it's far from flat around this part of Leicestershire In terms of drinking, I always drink during races over about 10k and I think you should at least try because you'll need it. You don't need to drink much, so you won't have water sloshing around inside you and it shouldn't make you need a wee either because you'll be using the water you drink. Just take a sip and wet your mouth. You'll be amazed at how much difference it makes, especially if you're hot and tiring a little. All I'm saying is don't dismiss it completely as it could affect your racing if you're running dehydrated. I briefly stopped at a pub today during my 10 mile run for a mouthful of water and splash my face. I was really flagging because I was too hot and it pushed me through the last 3 miles. Make sure you get all your hydrating done the day BEFORE the race, so you're not drinking gallons on race day morning. Do drink on race day morning, but stop about an hour before the race and make sure you join the loo queue well before you line up. The last thing you want is a porta loo visit during the race. So many things to think about Well done on your run jmc I did 10 hilly miles today after marshalling for a local 10K race. Had breakfast about 7am, then a banana and a couple of jaffa cakes around 10ish before running at 1pm. I find that as long as I don't eat 3 hrs before I run then everything's fine. I've been struggling a lot since May this year. I did Windermere Marathon, which I was happy with because I hadn't trained for it, then we went on hols for 2 weeks. I ran a couple of times, but not much. However, when I got back I was ill with synusitis for a few weeks and it knocked me for six. I'd also put on a stone since Christmas. I lost a lot of fitness and speed and because of that, I lost my mojo too. I didn't stop running, I just didn't enjoy it and didn't seem to be making much progress. Things are finally starting to improve though, and apart from an awful half marathon last week, I'm slowly getting quicker and finding things easier. I'm also lugging around almost a stone less than I was in July which has made no end of a difference to how it feels to run. I ran well today, but I'm desperately hoping for a marathon PB by the end of the year... and that means taking 43 seconds per mile off my current 10 mile pace... EEK!!!!! __________________ Oooooh Cecil, what have you done?

18-09-2011, 19:00	#1177
lostkat Good Cat Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,550	Sounds like an utterly brilliant race Jonny. Well done It's amazing when you do something like that and come away with such a huge sense of achievement I do fancy the events where they swap the swim for canoe instead, as I'm not massively keen on swimming. I got asked if I'd do a short one sometime in November, but it clashed with a 14 mile cross country event which I LOVE, so I couldn't do it. __________________ Oooooh Cecil, what have you done?

18-09-2011, 20:26	#1178
Jonny69 Noob Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Socialist Republik of Kent Posts: 5,032	I've always said I'd never run a marathon but I've got the idea in my head now. I think it might be next year's challenge. I'm going to do a Grim 10 at Aldershot at some point because I think it looks like a hilarious day out in the cold, but after that I think I might see about either upping the distance or switching to hill running. I LOVED the mad off road terrain and impossible climbs __________________

19-09-2011, 11:58	#1179
petemc Moonshine Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Nr Liverpewl Posts: 4,371	BBx - I agree with Lostkat. Anything over a 6 mile run and I'll take water. I don't drink a lot just a few sips here n there. It's amazing how much get's thrown away at an event. Jonny - Sounds like an incredible event, aside from the impossible climbs Lostkat - I'm sure you'll knock those 43 seconds off I did my last LSR yesterday. 20 miles. It was hard going and emotional. My right calf muscle felt like it was going to explode at around 14 miles. I walked a bit and it just felt like it would go. I was tired and on the verge of breaking into tears. It was just so tough. I plodded on and made it to 20 miles. My average pace dropped from 12:30 to 13:00. The best thing was that I didn't throw up this time. Im confident, just about, that I can do the 26 miles but it's a very long time to be running. __________________ Thats no hamster, its a space station!

16-09-2011, 20:09	#1171
BBx Reverse SuBo Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: London Posts: 8,673	thanls jmc will reply properly when i get home. 7m tonight 4.35 in 40mins 3 in 28mins 1hr 8mins total. BB x

16-09-2011, 20:16	#1172
jmc41 Absinthe Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,070	Not long in myself, just over 5 miles in just under 43 mins. Decent times above, pretty much dead on a 2h half speed wise, assuming the course is actually 13.1 and not 13.5 as I've heard they can be. Was that flat?

18-09-2011, 18:28	#1174
jmc41 Absinthe Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,070	I was presently suprised actually, got up 6:15 and ended up running about 9:40 and stomach etc... all fine. Was also 13C, very pleasant conditions and a fair few other runners (mainly overtaking me :P) Left knee is another story, but I got in 9 miles and while glad I didn't try more glad I got at least that done and going to concentrate on recovery now. I've done runs after 2 week holidays where it wasn't an option before (ie: Ecuador - mainly on a small boat) so I'm not too worried about takig it all off, but I do have the Doc appt. a week monday and he's the sports expert so will see what he says. If I don't post before then, great luck for next Sunday!!

19-09-2011, 14:02	#1180
jmc41 Absinthe Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,070	Glad you've at least lost the being sick part Pete. Are you still on the jelly babies? Might be worth taking something else if you're out there over 4 hours your body is going to suffer. Good job for getting it done though, especially when you haven't really been running that long. Take it easy now, is it the 2nd October in two weeks so the taper now?