Obamaramma!

[Mondo]

Originally Posted by cleanbluesky

I think this result shows that the band may have changed but the song remains the same - 95% of blacks have proved themselves racist voters (not to mention that about 80% of blacks voted yes on prop 8) - its also interesting to note that the majority of white voters didn't vote for Obama either... so perhaps it isn't quite the moral victory that Obama has been implying throughout his campaign.



I've not seen any intelligent explanation of why Obama is a better candidate, not one single Obama supporter have managed to explain their perception of the man with any clarity. According to exit polls, the state of the economy was the most significant issue for voters, and whilst Powell claimed that Obama's vision for the economy was superior it was almost identical to McCain's plan.

Historically, African Americans have always voted Domorcats, regardless who is their candidate, Clinton had around 85% of the black votes and John Kerry had around 88% of the Black votes, unless I am mistaken and something Clinton and Kerry isn't telling us, they are both white.

African Americans do not just vote for Obama because he is black (at least not 90% you suggested), although no doubt there has been some have voted because of that, so would the some white Republicans who voted for McCain because the Democrats has a Black Candidates and that because McCain is white. The majority of African Americans voted (at least 85% - Clinton numbers, or 88% in the case of Kerry) voted for Democrats because they always votes for Democrats not because Obama is black. So your 90% is now down to merely 2%. And you can't say for certain statistically that there are less than 2% of Republicans who voted for McCain because he is white, because Obama is Black, muslim, arab....etc it's a 2 way street.

As to your second point, i can go on til the cow comes home but only time will tell if he can do what he promises to do. Plus i am at lunch and i still not gone out to get my sandwich.

[dirtydog]

Originally Posted by cleanbluesky

95% of blacks have proved themselves racist voters

Don't be silly. Some of them no doubt voted for him because of his race, but you can't say all of them did. Most blacks have always voted Democrat and up until now the candidate has been white.

I've not seen any intelligent explanation of why Obama is a better candidate

I think watching any of the televised debates between him and McCain would make that abundantly clear.

[Mark]

I think the biggest policy change that's likely to affect us is a desire for the US to stop being the world's 'bully'. I really don't mind the US giving despots 'what for', but a little less itchy trigger finger wouldn't do any harm.

[cleanbluesky]

Originally Posted by Mondo

Historically, African Americans have always voted Domorcats, regardless who is their candidate, Clinton had around 85% of the black votes and John Kerry had around 88% of the Black votes, unless I am mistaken and something Clinton and Kerry isn't telling us, they are both white.

That's a good point, I didn't realise it was that high in previous elections - although its also worth note that voter turnout was high for this election, therefore we are dealing with a greater number of people - Obama support was also significantly higher amongst minorities such as jews and hispanics. The propspect of voting in a minority has held significant sway amongst minority populations.

[Mondo]

It is also worth noting that not only the swing states like Ohio and Penn went Democrats (Bush in 2004), Obama has almost done what previously thought impossible. He went and took Virginia and North Carolina, both considered to be hard core Republican states and both where African Americans are very much in the minority.

The depressing statistic for Republican is that in the projected figures (read in the Daily Telegraph yesterday) is that Whites will be a minoity by 2042, so if the statistic that 85% of Blacks votes Democrats, the Rebublican party have an up hill struggle to gain votes in the coming years.

[Matblack]

Its not a black thing, its a GW Bush is a tosser thing

MB

[Mark]

True. Up to 2004 McCain was very much his own man. He tried to play on that in this election to put some space between him and Bush, but unfortunately his voting record showed 90% votes in favour of Bush policies.

[dirtydog]

Originally Posted by cleanbluesky

That's a good point, I didn't realise it was that high in previous elections - although its also worth note that voter turnout was high for this election, therefore we are dealing with a greater number of people - Obama support was also significantly higher amongst minorities such as jews and hispanics. The propspect of voting in a minority has held significant sway amongst minority populations.

Define minority. Aren't whites a minority in the US yet? If they aren't now then they will be soon, in my and your lifetimes.

In the wider world, whites are already a minority and blacks and other races vastly outnumber us.

[Justsomebloke]

Does this mean we can start saying "Is is because I'm White"

[Mel]

What made the election such a landslide, especially with new voters, was not in fact race, but age. I'm not going to bother looking right now for the exact statistic but I heard on a news report last night that it was like the first time ever that the number of 18-25 year old voters outnumbered over 65 voters. That's what did it. Young people motivating each other, through new medias such as online (facebook etc). This made a huge difference. Even Obama's campaign was involved in this. During the primaries you were able to subscribe on his website to receive text message alerts to be notified of things like when he was chosen for democratic candidate.