Decided to give this newsgroup malarky a whirl - Page 15

LeperousDust · 14-09-2007, 00:04

Right they've blocked ME i can get through via a generic free web proxy (no i didn't log in

) but the website loads at least. Strange gonna email them now ask them what they're playing at...

Matblack · 14-09-2007, 08:02

Thats very odd because Newshosting is not connecting for me :/

MB

Desmo · 14-09-2007, 09:53

Whooops, looks like the feds are on to you guys

Matblack · 14-09-2007, 09:54

Meh,

MB

LeperousDust · 14-09-2007, 13:18

Hmmm and like that again after lunch it's as smooth as anything again...

Thing is MB if Virgin were trialing some kind of usenet blocking filter i would be one of the only people NOT affected as my whole operation is based on port 80 and the http protocol. It's impossible to distinguish (as i found out in uni

). So i think its just conincidence. Maybe one of the major servers had a loss possiblt? Although easynews where very quick to get back to me, and have been in corespondence telling me everything ( even down to my area) is A-OK. Plus the fact it worked when i went through an annon. proxy (very strange).

Couldn't tell you what it was but it works again anyway...

Daz · 14-09-2007, 13:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeperousDust

It's impossible to distinguish

I wouldn't go that far. Over plain http it would be perfectly possible to identify and filter what you're doing, but in reality I imagine it would cost too much (in terms of sheer computing power). Https wouldn't be as simple, but still possible to work out what you're doing to a reasonable degree of certainty.

Filtering by port and protocol is comparatively cheap resource wise, and is much more cost effective, but as computing 'bang for buck' continues to soar (Moores law) it wouldn't surprise me to see ISP's become much more aggressive in analyzing traffic, assuming the market is still relying on it for SLA's/FUP's compliance anyway.

LeperousDust · 14-09-2007, 13:45

Sorry Daz it's over SSL (443) usually, I swap and switch (very easy with easynews). How could they differentiate my download over a normal internet download? Thats all mine are links i click on websites, transferred over HTTP/ with or without SSL. It's just like downloading a file from say fileplanet etc... How could they possible tell (apart from say file name, which really wouldn't work!)

LeperousDust · 14-09-2007, 13:48

I'll give you my account details if you want to play around to check (

).

I'll PM you details if you get in touch, i'll just change password and pause my downloads for the minute...

Daz · 14-09-2007, 14:33

I'm not saying they are looking, but if they wanted to they could. It all comes down to human logic. With https they wont be able to open the packet and see everything inside, and even if they could, foo.zip isn't going to tell anyone anything. What they can tell regardless of what's in the packet is where it's coming from and where it's going. If you're download gigs and gigs of data from easynews's server, it's not unreasonable to consider that p2p/usenet traffic and shape it as such, for example. It's all down to the ISP, they can pretty much do whatever they want.

Mark · 14-09-2007, 14:59

Yup - there are companies that specialise in packet sniffing hardware (Ellacoya for one). That's a bit a of a swearword around us PN customers (though a lot less so since BT took over and two extra centrals arrived).

14-09-2007, 00:04	#141
LeperousDust Bananaman Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Liverpool/Edinburgh Posts: 4,817	Right they've blocked ME i can get through via a generic free web proxy (no i didn't log in ) but the website loads at least. Strange gonna email them now ask them what they're playing at... __________________

14-09-2007, 08:02	#142
Matblack Baby Bore Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Svalbard Posts: 9,770	Thats very odd because Newshosting is not connecting for me :/ MB __________________ "we had roots that grew towards each other underground, and when all the pretty blossom had fallen from our branches we found that we were one tree and not two"

14-09-2007, 09:53	#143
Desmo The Last Airbender Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Pigmopad Posts: 11,915	Whooops, looks like the feds are on to you guys __________________

14-09-2007, 09:54	#144
Matblack Baby Bore Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Svalbard Posts: 9,770	Meh, MB __________________ "we had roots that grew towards each other underground, and when all the pretty blossom had fallen from our branches we found that we were one tree and not two"

14-09-2007, 13:18	#145
LeperousDust Bananaman Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Liverpool/Edinburgh Posts: 4,817	Hmmm and like that again after lunch it's as smooth as anything again... Thing is MB if Virgin were trialing some kind of usenet blocking filter i would be one of the only people NOT affected as my whole operation is based on port 80 and the http protocol. It's impossible to distinguish (as i found out in uni ). So i think its just conincidence. Maybe one of the major servers had a loss possiblt? Although easynews where very quick to get back to me, and have been in corespondence telling me everything ( even down to my area) is A-OK. Plus the fact it worked when i went through an annon. proxy (very strange). Couldn't tell you what it was but it works again anyway... __________________

14-09-2007, 13:45	#147
LeperousDust Bananaman Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Liverpool/Edinburgh Posts: 4,817	Sorry Daz it's over SSL (443) usually, I swap and switch (very easy with easynews). How could they differentiate my download over a normal internet download? Thats all mine are links i click on websites, transferred over HTTP/ with or without SSL. It's just like downloading a file from say fileplanet etc... How could they possible tell (apart from say file name, which really wouldn't work!) __________________

14-09-2007, 13:48	#148
LeperousDust Bananaman Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Liverpool/Edinburgh Posts: 4,817	I'll give you my account details if you want to play around to check ( ). I'll PM you details if you get in touch, i'll just change password and pause my downloads for the minute... __________________

14-09-2007, 14:33	#149
Daz The Stig Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Swad! Posts: 10,713	I'm not saying they are looking, but if they wanted to they could. It all comes down to human logic. With https they wont be able to open the packet and see everything inside, and even if they could, foo.zip isn't going to tell anyone anything. What they can tell regardless of what's in the packet is where it's coming from and where it's going. If you're download gigs and gigs of data from easynews's server, it's not unreasonable to consider that p2p/usenet traffic and shape it as such, for example. It's all down to the ISP, they can pretty much do whatever they want. __________________ apt-get moo

14-09-2007, 14:59	#150
Mark Screaming Orgasm Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Newbury Posts: 15,194	Yup - there are companies that specialise in packet sniffing hardware (Ellacoya for one). That's a bit a of a swearword around us PN customers (though a lot less so since BT took over and two extra centrals arrived).