Modern Warfare 2 - Page 16

divine · 04-11-2009, 21:43

PC gamers expect what they're used to, just because other people might be happy to pay more for less, doesn't mean everyone should have to.

Haly · 04-11-2009, 21:56

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Originally Posted by NokkonWud

Oh boo bloody hoo. PC gamers pay less anyway, yet always expect so much more. Give it a chance first.

Why does that make it ok though? It's pretty basic stuff for a PC game that is expected to have a thriving multiplayer community. It's hardly rocket science!

NokkonWud · 05-11-2009, 02:42

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Originally Posted by Haly

Why does that make it ok though? It's pretty basic stuff for a PC game that is expected to have a thriving multiplayer community. It's hardly rocket science!

It may yet still have. I have many friends who are all part of a CoD: MW community on Xbox360 and PC has more ways of staying in touch with people and organizing things.

Haly · 05-11-2009, 12:01

You appear to have answered a completely different question than I asked

You still haven't explained why it's ok to miss out all of those features when they're normally standard affair for any PC game.

divine · 05-11-2009, 12:28

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Originally Posted by Haly

You still haven't explained why it's ok to miss out all of those features when they're normally standard affair for any PC game.

Little comparison table of those MP features:

Haly · 05-11-2009, 12:30

Well at least profiles can be saved online

Seriously though, I've seen a lot of people complain because they lost their profiles through not backing up pre-format.

Otherwise erm

divine · 05-11-2009, 12:37

I think what has caused most of the fuss is that games have slowly, over the last 4 or 5 years moved to be much more focussed on consoles. Call of Duty was a PC game through and through to start with and now it's ended up pretty much the worst example of a developer now just making for consoles and not really giving a toss about PC games.

Up til now, even some of the worst console ports have only really had issues like menu systems you can't click on with a mouse or pointless save points when you can save anywhere etc.

This has taken it from beyond 'lazy' into virtually '**** you' territory, especially when the PR guys are seemingly posting comments like 'We haven't forgotten our roots, we just chose to use weed killer on them'. I'm still dubious as to whether that was genuine or not (was on Rob Bowlings blog) but he's been happily posting with the account since, so i'm not sure what the chances are of it being compromised or anything.

Davey_Pitch · 05-11-2009, 13:22

It's a shame it's gone that way, but I can partially understand it due to how much money they must make from the console side of things. Creating a game purely for the consoles and then porting that over to the PC must be so much easier and cheaper than developing proper features for the PC gamers. I don't agree with it (even though as a console gamer it doesn't affect me), but I can see why they would choose to do it.

NokkonWud · 06-11-2009, 20:42

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Originally Posted by Haly

You appear to have answered a completely different question than I asked

You still haven't explained why it's ok to miss out all of those features when they're normally standard affair for any PC game.

Because game costs are rising on all formats, but PC gaming is so rife with piracy that limiting it in such a way is how they best see fit to force people into buying it. Sadly a lot of PC gamers who live by piracy and the ease of accessibility to these things have ruined it for many others. We've seen it with console ports now (due to primary development format focusing on consoles now). PC gamers have sadly had drastic measures coming for a long time.

divine · 06-11-2009, 21:10

I fail to see how IW Net + P2P MP even remotely tackles the issue of piracy, if anything it will make it worse because the component of the game that will entice many people into buying the game at all has become gimped beyond all recognition. It's not uncommon for PC gamers to pirate SP games and pay for MP ones.

IWNet vs Dedi Servers will have virtually no technical differences with regards ability to pirate the game, it doesn't make it any harder, IW will know this just as well as anyone else, which leads me to believe it's been implemented for other reasons, chief of which is the crippling of the mod community meaning any and all extra content will have to come from IW, along with a nice degree of control over the entire play system for when they fancy releasing some paid for DLC.

Paid for DLC always struggles more on PC because it's just as easy to download a mod and sometimes the quality of the mod is better than anything the developers were planning - see Desert Combat for Battlefield a while back as an example. Setting up the multiplayer to make such modding hugely harder and suddenly IW are in complete control of injecting any new spice into the game.

As for 'rife with piracy', MW2 has been leaked for a good week or so on 360, as you well know, piracy is hardly non existent outside the PC, it's fairly big business on the 360 too.

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05-11-2009, 12:01	#154
Haly Do you want to hide in my box? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 14,941	You appear to have answered a completely different question than I asked You still haven't explained why it's ok to miss out all of those features when they're normally standard affair for any PC game. __________________ Halycopter

05-11-2009, 12:30	#156
Haly Do you want to hide in my box? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 14,941	Well at least profiles can be saved online Seriously though, I've seen a lot of people complain because they lost their profiles through not backing up pre-format. Otherwise erm __________________ Halycopter

05-11-2009, 12:37	#157
divine Moonshine Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Southampton Posts: 3,201	I think what has caused most of the fuss is that games have slowly, over the last 4 or 5 years moved to be much more focussed on consoles. Call of Duty was a PC game through and through to start with and now it's ended up pretty much the worst example of a developer now just making for consoles and not really giving a toss about PC games. Up til now, even some of the worst console ports have only really had issues like menu systems you can't click on with a mouse or pointless save points when you can save anywhere etc. This has taken it from beyond 'lazy' into virtually '**** you' territory, especially when the PR guys are seemingly posting comments like 'We haven't forgotten our roots, we just chose to use weed killer on them'. I'm still dubious as to whether that was genuine or not (was on Rob Bowlings blog) but he's been happily posting with the account since, so i'm not sure what the chances are of it being compromised or anything. __________________

05-11-2009, 13:22	#158
Davey_Pitch I iz speshul Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Liverpool Posts: 6,296	It's a shame it's gone that way, but I can partially understand it due to how much money they must make from the console side of things. Creating a game purely for the consoles and then porting that over to the PC must be so much easier and cheaper than developing proper features for the PC gamers. I don't agree with it (even though as a console gamer it doesn't affect me), but I can see why they would choose to do it. __________________ Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that most frightens us. Your playing small does not serve the world. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you. We are all meant to shine as children do. It's not just in some of us; it is in everyone. And as we let our own lights shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others.

06-11-2009, 21:10	#160
divine Moonshine Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Southampton Posts: 3,201	I fail to see how IW Net + P2P MP even remotely tackles the issue of piracy, if anything it will make it worse because the component of the game that will entice many people into buying the game at all has become gimped beyond all recognition. It's not uncommon for PC gamers to pirate SP games and pay for MP ones. IWNet vs Dedi Servers will have virtually no technical differences with regards ability to pirate the game, it doesn't make it any harder, IW will know this just as well as anyone else, which leads me to believe it's been implemented for other reasons, chief of which is the crippling of the mod community meaning any and all extra content will have to come from IW, along with a nice degree of control over the entire play system for when they fancy releasing some paid for DLC. Paid for DLC always struggles more on PC because it's just as easy to download a mod and sometimes the quality of the mod is better than anything the developers were planning - see Desert Combat for Battlefield a while back as an example. Setting up the multiplayer to make such modding hugely harder and suddenly IW are in complete control of injecting any new spice into the game. As for 'rife with piracy', MW2 has been leaked for a good week or so on 360, as you well know, piracy is hardly non existent outside the PC, it's fairly big business on the 360 too. __________________ Last edited by divine; 06-11-2009 at 21:13.