BARCELONA Grand Prix 2009 - Race 5/17 - Page 2

lostkat · 10-05-2009, 16:32

Oh, almost forgot to mention the crash too. Nothing like a good strong crash at the start to liven things up

Briggykins · 10-05-2009, 17:04

Oh I don't think there actually was a conspiracy, I believed what they said about the race engineers choosing the strategies. It just went so wrong for Rubens that it looked like a stitch up

Crash was good, and both Brawns did well after the restart. I was expecting Massa to get past at least one, but they were both away very well.

Feek · 10-05-2009, 21:48

Just watched this, excellent result, good crash and as usual for Spain, I slept for about 45 minutes during the race

Mark · 10-05-2009, 22:11

Didn't even think to turn the TV on today (until now) let alone watch it. I'll grab the highlights early tomorrow morning and watch them, if only to see the crash.

Edit - seen the crash now. That one certainly looked pretty spectacular, especially from behind.

Justsomebloke · 10-05-2009, 23:28

Only got the highlights later on.
Commentary is as piss poor as ever, Truly (was it???) got blamed for the crash when he clearly got clipped by the dude coming back onto the track from teh other side from the camera, Kin commentators take 10 mins & 5 replays to know what's going on & who the **** is that old Dude.

Best bit of all was when they asked Hamilton what he thought when Button Lapped him

Whilst he stood there silent I would have also asked what he thought when Alonso made a Mug of him an all.

Comedy Gold.

Buttons dad needs to take care of his perspiration problem before he waves his arms about an all.

Good win for Button, Quite entertaining just watching the highlights.

lostkat · 11-05-2009, 08:16

It was Rosberg who started the crash, not Trulli though. Rosberg put it off, then came back on right next to Trulli, who had to swerve to avoid him, which is why he span off. He then came back on (stupid idea IMO, especially in the middle of a gaggle of cars) and smashed into Sutil who was also coming back onto the track after having cut right across the previous corner. I'm sure Sutil would have received a penalty for cutting that corner anyway, so part of me says it serves him right

Bourdais just didn't see Buemi braking and took them both out. Oops!! I bet the Toro Rosso camp aren't very happy about that

EJ is really getting on my nerves now. He's just plain weird and seems to ask stupid questions for the sake of talking. He also tries to force his views on everyone. They need to bin him.

kaiowas · 11-05-2009, 08:41

Not sure what's up with this season, from reading comments on the various forums everyone else seems to think it's all going really well and we're getting good races whereas after the first couple of laps once everything has settled down I just find myself bored and looking forward to it finishing.

Funny thing is if the Brawns were red and had a German driving Button's car I suspect that many more people would share my viewpoint

lostkat · 11-05-2009, 09:35

I guess it all depends upon which team you support

I'm not behind any team in particular, although there are some drivers I like/dislike and I do support anyone/anything British (& understandably so I think!). For me, it's just great to see some of the 'underdogs' doing well for a change rather than the same old same old.

Glaucus · 11-05-2009, 10:13

As I've said before the rules changes have not worked and never would work. It has not increased over taking. The cars can follow closer, but that's marginal.

Brawn and his team have been extremely cleaver not only with the rear diffuser.
But there disc callipers are all at the bottom of the wheel rather than the side like usual. they've got a unique steering rack which again is situated a lot lower than other peoples. All helps to lower centre of gravity.

kaiowas · 11-05-2009, 11:44

I don't really support any team too closely since Schumacher quit, I just like/dislike various teams and drivers to varying degrees for numerous (mostly irrational) reasons.

Just so you know where my loyalties lie:

Ferrari - Being a Schumacher fan made me a Ferrari fan by default but since he quit I'm not overly fussed. Despite liking Raikkonen in his Sauber days he found his way onto the 'dislike' list by joining McLaren. I like Massa even though there are better drivers out there again because he was entertaining in his Sauber days.

McLaren - I'm quite negative on McLaren, started out when I was too young to appreciate Senna's genius and they were just the 'bad guys' in the Senna v Mansell days. On top of that Ron annoys me greatly. They were generally Schumachers main rival plus I'm not a fan of Lewis (think I'll explain that one seperately further down)

Brawn - Still not really got a strong opinion on Brawn but generally my "anti-british driver" bias seems to be winning over and I find myself wanting them to lose. I'd probably like them more if they let Rubens win occasionally

Red Bull - I like Vettel. Of the current front running cars he's the guy I've been finding myself wanting to win this season.

Toyota - This may be surprising when you consider my MR2 obsession but I don't really care about how Toyota do. I just have no real emotional connection between the mk1 MR2 and the Toyota company as they operate today.

Toro Rosso - I liked them more when they were Minardi, Damned corporate sell outs.

Williams - My goodwill for them from the Mansell days evaporated when it was Hill v Schumacher. Nowadays I'm neutral on them.

Force India - I usually like to get behind the underdog but I've no real interst in these, would rather have had Super Aguri on the grid.

At this point I needed to stop and think which teams I hadn't though of yet which must say something about the next 2.....

Renault - As entertaining as Alonso is he's ex-McLaren, and an ex-rival of Schunmacher so I can't warm to him. However if it wasn't for his efforts I'd have probably forgotten Renault were still racing by now.

BMW - It says one hell of a lot for how bad they've been this season that I couldn't think who the 10th team were especially as me and Vix have adopted Kubica as our #1 driver since Schumacher quit. Just a shame the team sacrificed his championship shot so they could put more time into developing a car which has turned out to be a complete dog. Despite liking Robert I feel dirty cheering on something with a BMW badge on it though.

So yeah, back to my dislike of the Brits. I think it stems from the fact that my interest in F1 came from the cars and the technical side of things. I've always viewed it as a technical competition rather than a competition between personalities (the current dumbing down of the cars is probably one of the reasons I find myself losing interest). Another side effect of this is that I can be pretty dismissive of the casual fans who see F1 as just another bandwagon where you support the British guys without question. Generally I don't care whether a driver was born on the same side of a line on a map as me, if they're good and likeable I'll support them. If they're british then the endless hype and jingoistic flagwaving from broadcasters, media and fans who don't really care about the sport inevitably ends up annoying me to the point where I want them to fail just so it all goes away.

10-05-2009, 16:32	#11
lostkat Good Cat Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,550	Oh, almost forgot to mention the crash too. Nothing like a good strong crash at the start to liven things up __________________ Oooooh Cecil, what have you done?

10-05-2009, 17:04	#12
Briggykins Vodka Martini Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Exeter Posts: 753	Oh I don't think there actually was a conspiracy, I believed what they said about the race engineers choosing the strategies. It just went so wrong for Rubens that it looked like a stitch up Crash was good, and both Brawns did well after the restart. I was expecting Massa to get past at least one, but they were both away very well. __________________ Last edited by Briggykins; 10-05-2009 at 17:07.

10-05-2009, 21:48	#13
Feek ex SAS Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: JO01ou Posts: 10,062	Just watched this, excellent result, good crash and as usual for Spain, I slept for about 45 minutes during the race __________________

10-05-2009, 22:11	#14
Mark Screaming Orgasm Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Newbury Posts: 15,194	Didn't even think to turn the TV on today (until now) let alone watch it. I'll grab the highlights early tomorrow morning and watch them, if only to see the crash. Edit - seen the crash now. That one certainly looked pretty spectacular, especially from behind. Last edited by Mark; 10-05-2009 at 22:14.

10-05-2009, 23:28	#15
Justsomebloke The Night Worker Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 5,228	Only got the highlights later on. Commentary is as piss poor as ever, Truly (was it???) got blamed for the crash when he clearly got clipped by the dude coming back onto the track from teh other side from the camera, Kin commentators take 10 mins & 5 replays to know what's going on & who the **** is that old Dude. Best bit of all was when they asked Hamilton what he thought when Button Lapped him Whilst he stood there silent I would have also asked what he thought when Alonso made a Mug of him an all. Comedy Gold. Buttons dad needs to take care of his perspiration problem before he waves his arms about an all. Good win for Button, Quite entertaining just watching the highlights. __________________

11-05-2009, 08:16	#16
lostkat Good Cat Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,550	It was Rosberg who started the crash, not Trulli though. Rosberg put it off, then came back on right next to Trulli, who had to swerve to avoid him, which is why he span off. He then came back on (stupid idea IMO, especially in the middle of a gaggle of cars) and smashed into Sutil who was also coming back onto the track after having cut right across the previous corner. I'm sure Sutil would have received a penalty for cutting that corner anyway, so part of me says it serves him right Bourdais just didn't see Buemi braking and took them both out. Oops!! I bet the Toro Rosso camp aren't very happy about that EJ is really getting on my nerves now. He's just plain weird and seems to ask stupid questions for the sake of talking. He also tries to force his views on everyone. They need to bin him. __________________ Oooooh Cecil, what have you done?

11-05-2009, 08:41	#17
kaiowas The Stig Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Fightertown USA Posts: 1,458	Not sure what's up with this season, from reading comments on the various forums everyone else seems to think it's all going really well and we're getting good races whereas after the first couple of laps once everything has settled down I just find myself bored and looking forward to it finishing. Funny thing is if the Brawns were red and had a German driving Button's car I suspect that many more people would share my viewpoint __________________ Anal Fish Porn

11-05-2009, 09:35	#18
lostkat Good Cat Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,550	I guess it all depends upon which team you support I'm not behind any team in particular, although there are some drivers I like/dislike and I do support anyone/anything British (& understandably so I think!). For me, it's just great to see some of the 'underdogs' doing well for a change rather than the same old same old. __________________ Oooooh Cecil, what have you done?

11-05-2009, 10:13	#19
Glaucus Absinthe Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,855	As I've said before the rules changes have not worked and never would work. It has not increased over taking. The cars can follow closer, but that's marginal. Brawn and his team have been extremely cleaver not only with the rear diffuser. But there disc callipers are all at the bottom of the wheel rather than the side like usual. they've got a unique steering rack which again is situated a lot lower than other peoples. All helps to lower centre of gravity. __________________

11-05-2009, 11:44	#20
kaiowas The Stig Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Fightertown USA Posts: 1,458	I don't really support any team too closely since Schumacher quit, I just like/dislike various teams and drivers to varying degrees for numerous (mostly irrational) reasons. Just so you know where my loyalties lie: Ferrari - Being a Schumacher fan made me a Ferrari fan by default but since he quit I'm not overly fussed. Despite liking Raikkonen in his Sauber days he found his way onto the 'dislike' list by joining McLaren. I like Massa even though there are better drivers out there again because he was entertaining in his Sauber days. McLaren - I'm quite negative on McLaren, started out when I was too young to appreciate Senna's genius and they were just the 'bad guys' in the Senna v Mansell days. On top of that Ron annoys me greatly. They were generally Schumachers main rival plus I'm not a fan of Lewis (think I'll explain that one seperately further down) Brawn - Still not really got a strong opinion on Brawn but generally my "anti-british driver" bias seems to be winning over and I find myself wanting them to lose. I'd probably like them more if they let Rubens win occasionally Red Bull - I like Vettel. Of the current front running cars he's the guy I've been finding myself wanting to win this season. Toyota - This may be surprising when you consider my MR2 obsession but I don't really care about how Toyota do. I just have no real emotional connection between the mk1 MR2 and the Toyota company as they operate today. Toro Rosso - I liked them more when they were Minardi, Damned corporate sell outs. Williams - My goodwill for them from the Mansell days evaporated when it was Hill v Schumacher. Nowadays I'm neutral on them. Force India - I usually like to get behind the underdog but I've no real interst in these, would rather have had Super Aguri on the grid. At this point I needed to stop and think which teams I hadn't though of yet which must say something about the next 2..... Renault - As entertaining as Alonso is he's ex-McLaren, and an ex-rival of Schunmacher so I can't warm to him. However if it wasn't for his efforts I'd have probably forgotten Renault were still racing by now. BMW - It says one hell of a lot for how bad they've been this season that I couldn't think who the 10th team were especially as me and Vix have adopted Kubica as our #1 driver since Schumacher quit. Just a shame the team sacrificed his championship shot so they could put more time into developing a car which has turned out to be a complete dog. Despite liking Robert I feel dirty cheering on something with a BMW badge on it though. So yeah, back to my dislike of the Brits. I think it stems from the fact that my interest in F1 came from the cars and the technical side of things. I've always viewed it as a technical competition rather than a competition between personalities (the current dumbing down of the cars is probably one of the reasons I find myself losing interest). Another side effect of this is that I can be pretty dismissive of the casual fans who see F1 as just another bandwagon where you support the British guys without question. Generally I don't care whether a driver was born on the same side of a line on a map as me, if they're good and likeable I'll support them. If they're british then the endless hype and jingoistic flagwaving from broadcasters, media and fans who don't really care about the sport inevitably ends up annoying me to the point where I want them to fail just so it all goes away. __________________ Anal Fish Porn