Do you think Jacko was guilty..... - Page 2

Streeteh · 28-06-2009, 17:12

Based on the fact that the parents all took the money and ran i'm going to assume he's innocent. I cannot envisage any parent knowing that someone has done those things to their child and letting them get away with it.

Greenlizard0 · 28-06-2009, 17:48

I'm still not really sure, though because of the very fact that the justice system is very vulnerable to how much money you can throw at it. Of course that doesn't answer in anyway whether he's guilty or innocent, a pity really because in an ideal world it'd be great to automatically assume true justice always takes place, and then that would be that.

However as said above, a man that rich is always going to be attacked in one way or another, due to his state, he was always going to be a relatively easy target. His mind is clearly very fractured, most people have said "a child within a man's body" and that's probably quite right. My own belief at the time of the trial's conclusions was that he did it, but honestly didn't realise what he did, in the same way that right and wrong are warped in a lot of mentally ill people. I don't think he did anything with venom.

So all in all I don't know, but I'm leaning towards a yes.

Pheebs · 28-06-2009, 18:55

There's no "wouldn't know until I had all the info in front of me" job.

:/

I do second Streeteh though. If my child had been sexually abused I wouldn't back out until the person had been sentenced for love or money, no matter the amount. No price can pay for that kind of wrong doing in my head. But then, once again, it wasn't me in the situation and I don't know what kind of people they are so maybe they did have a price.

Danny · 28-06-2009, 19:02

Yes I absolutely believe his is a child molester. I understand both sides of the argument regarding offering and accepting the bribes given. I know it is a fair point that the family should have fought it all the way. It is hard to know what advice they were given but I suspect they feared for their lives if they hadve gotten wacko banged up. Even now the kid is in hiding.

A lot of jacko's fans are a mental as he is.

I also don't buy this lost childhood story. Plenty of kids go through the same. I believe it was an excuse. He was abused himself and often abused kids carry on the circle. Everything about him was to make his house and his life appealing to children. The police certain believe he is a fiddler.

Put it this way, the people that think he's innocent would you let him look after your kid unsupervised for a week?

If it wasn't for him being a superstar, he would be banged up by now.

I think it's going to take 5 or so years before a person on the case has the balls to write an account of the evidence they found.

Of course we will never know either way for certain, yet everything about this man is a sham. The marriages, the children. I wouldn't trust anything about him anymore.

Mark · 28-06-2009, 19:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pheebs

There's no "wouldn't know until I had all the info in front of me" job.

And there isn't meant to be. The question is what you think, not what a jury might think.

Muban · 28-06-2009, 19:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny

Put it this way, the people that think he's innocent would you let him look after your kid unsupervised for a week?

Somewhat of an unfair question. I wouldn't let anyone I didn't know personally and well (unless they were a professional child carer with references) look after my children (if I had any). So no I wouldn't have, but not because I think he is a child abuser but because I don't know him. I wouldn't let you look after my kids either, purely because I don't know you.

Mark · 28-06-2009, 19:23

^^ This. I don't have any children but it would be my answer if I did. In fact, I'd be seriously concerned for any child whose parents gave any other answer.

Feek · 28-06-2009, 19:27

He's as innocent as OJ was.

Pebs · 28-06-2009, 19:38

As far as the parents taking the money and running thing, I think everyone has a price, everyone. Another point of view is that those parents have brought the accusations to the media spotlight. They know he's going to have the very very best legal help money can buy. Their children/families face what is probably a very lengthy, very public and very dirty court process. Or they can take $20m dollars. I'd be thinking very very carefully, seriously. There's all kinds of justice, not just the legal kind. Do I think this is what happened.....I have absolutely no idea.

Do I think he's guilty? Is a childlike, naive, misguided adult capable of child abuse. Of course they are. He managed to get married twice and have his own children, he's not all that naive is he.

Matblack · 28-06-2009, 19:47

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Originally Posted by Pebs

He managed to get married twice and have his own children, he's not all that naive is he.

Those kids don't look a lot like MJ though, do they

genetic MJ (no plastic surgery/ 'vitiligo')

MJ with children

Pink aren't they?

MB

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28-06-2009, 17:12	#11
Streeteh Vodka Martini Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Kingston Posts: 862	Based on the fact that the parents all took the money and ran i'm going to assume he's innocent. I cannot envisage any parent knowing that someone has done those things to their child and letting them get away with it. __________________ PSN & Live! ID: Streeteh

28-06-2009, 17:48	#12
Greenlizard0 Vodka Martini Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 717	I'm still not really sure, though because of the very fact that the justice system is very vulnerable to how much money you can throw at it. Of course that doesn't answer in anyway whether he's guilty or innocent, a pity really because in an ideal world it'd be great to automatically assume true justice always takes place, and then that would be that. However as said above, a man that rich is always going to be attacked in one way or another, due to his state, he was always going to be a relatively easy target. His mind is clearly very fractured, most people have said "a child within a man's body" and that's probably quite right. My own belief at the time of the trial's conclusions was that he did it, but honestly didn't realise what he did, in the same way that right and wrong are warped in a lot of mentally ill people. I don't think he did anything with venom. So all in all I don't know, but I'm leaning towards a yes. __________________

28-06-2009, 18:55	#13
Pheebs Deep Throat Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 6,512	There's no "wouldn't know until I had all the info in front of me" job. :/ I do second Streeteh though. If my child had been sexually abused I wouldn't back out until the person had been sentenced for love or money, no matter the amount. No price can pay for that kind of wrong doing in my head. But then, once again, it wasn't me in the situation and I don't know what kind of people they are so maybe they did have a price. __________________ http://www.spiffingdesigns.co.uk

28-06-2009, 19:02	#14
Danny Long Island Iced Tea Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 176	Yes I absolutely believe his is a child molester. I understand both sides of the argument regarding offering and accepting the bribes given. I know it is a fair point that the family should have fought it all the way. It is hard to know what advice they were given but I suspect they feared for their lives if they hadve gotten wacko banged up. Even now the kid is in hiding. A lot of jacko's fans are a mental as he is. I also don't buy this lost childhood story. Plenty of kids go through the same. I believe it was an excuse. He was abused himself and often abused kids carry on the circle. Everything about him was to make his house and his life appealing to children. The police certain believe he is a fiddler. Put it this way, the people that think he's innocent would you let him look after your kid unsupervised for a week? If it wasn't for him being a superstar, he would be banged up by now. I think it's going to take 5 or so years before a person on the case has the balls to write an account of the evidence they found. Of course we will never know either way for certain, yet everything about this man is a sham. The marriages, the children. I wouldn't trust anything about him anymore. __________________

28-06-2009, 19:23	#17
Mark Screaming Orgasm Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Newbury Posts: 15,194	^^ This. I don't have any children but it would be my answer if I did. In fact, I'd be seriously concerned for any child whose parents gave any other answer.

28-06-2009, 19:27	#18
Feek ex SAS Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: JO01ou Posts: 10,062	He's as innocent as OJ was. __________________

28-06-2009, 19:38	#19
Pebs Easymouth Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 6,716	As far as the parents taking the money and running thing, I think everyone has a price, everyone. Another point of view is that those parents have brought the accusations to the media spotlight. They know he's going to have the very very best legal help money can buy. Their children/families face what is probably a very lengthy, very public and very dirty court process. Or they can take $20m dollars. I'd be thinking very very carefully, seriously. There's all kinds of justice, not just the legal kind. Do I think this is what happened.....I have absolutely no idea. Do I think he's guilty? Is a childlike, naive, misguided adult capable of child abuse. Of course they are. He managed to get married twice and have his own children, he's not all that naive is he. __________________ ...faster you naughty little monkey! Running through hell, heaven can wait!