Honey I Broke the Planet

[Mark]

Originally Posted by Treefrog

I find it incredible that some people can be so stupid as to claim that humans have had nothing to do with it, and that GW is a purely natural affair.

I've always been somewhat of this persuasion (though I wouldn't use the word stupid tbh), but having seen some of the results coming from the climate science projects I've been involved with for the last few years, I'm of this view more so than ever before.

It seems to be mostly the motor and oil industries that have the head-in-the-sand denial attitude, for obvious (financial) reasons. And I still include GWB in that (with his well known connections to oil), despite his recent comments. They have more to do with trying (and failing) to convince the green lobby to go away than actually doing anything.

[Dr. Z]

Originally Posted by Treefrog

No, that was about 10,000 years ago. There's a view that says that the very severe winters back in the mid-1700s was the beginning of the next Ice Age, but was staved off by our increase in fossil fuel usage.

If the 10,000 years cycle of Ice Ages is continuing then we should expect the average temps to be sinking - which, by all accounts, they're not. I find it incredible that some people can be so stupid as to claim that humans have had nothing to do with it, and that GW is a purely natural affair.

There is NOWHERE near enough data to call anyone "stupid" for leaning one way or the other. The fact that ice cores suggest that there are quite severe fluctuations in the weather over relatively short periods of time is enough to question the significance of any human input.

[Darrin]

Heh, my first post in a long while and I'm going to jump in the middle of a heated debate....

One thing to consider in all this global warming argument is that the polar ice caps are melting.


ON MARS!!!


What? Did someone export a whole bunch of Hummers up there and didn't tell anyone?

[Mark]

Good to see you back.

Are you referring to the observations made by Mars Global Surveyor or something else? If it's the MGS results, I'm not sure any martians were involved.