Has he been sacked yet ?

[Flibster]

Whats all this about?

[Mark]

Originally Posted by dymetrie

Who cares?

Now if the footballers had got a wages cut as a result, that would have been more interesting.

[Feek]

Originally Posted by Grandad

he was responsible for the selection and tactics of those who were

"Hey you overpayed twats, go out there and play a game. Try and play it better than the other overpayed twats please. Score some goals if you can!"

Originally Posted by dymetrie

Who cares?

I couldn't give a toss personally, I'm going to find it really funny at work tomorrow though, we've got a couple of guys who are really into their footie and they're going to be so down because our national team lost what basically amounts to an overcommercialised and overhyped game.

I'll take this as an opportunity to back away now before I offend everyone too much

[Grandad]

Originally Posted by Feek

"Hey you overpayed twats, go out there and play a game. Try and play it better than the other overpayed twats please. Score some goals if you can!"

thats really all it ought to take

[Nutcase]

At least the TV schedules won't be stuffed up to make room for it

Oh hang on, I don't watch tele. Need another "excuse" not to care now.

I managed to be in a pub for the whole time the game was on, with it on big teles and I didn't know the result until I got home. Quality

[killerkebab]

Now I'm not really into football, however I think the result was heavily disappointing. Still, I think this is the best thing that could possibly happen to English football. A good loss now will kick everybody in the shins and make people think twice and hopefully new players, new ideas, and new management will come in.

This is what happened to France when we didn't even qualify for Italia '90 and USA '94 and look what happened in '98! Every team needs a kick in the bollocks and this is England's time to turn around and shine. After all, England have the best players and yet they don't have the best team, this should tell everyone that something needs to change.

I read in the paper a few weeks ago that the victory in '66 was the worst thing to happen to English football, and not the best, and I agree. Since then everything has been mediocre to say the least. Everyone says 'England has been robbed' in every tournament since then, when what has really happened is England has played mediocre football, scraped victories, and when the other team scrapes a victory against England suddenly they've been robbed? Hell no.

I remember the game in Euro 2004 with England vs. France when Zidane scored twice in the closing minutes to give France the victory and everybody was saying England got robbed. The hell they did, someone should have told them defending a one nil lead for 90 minutes always ends in tears. The fact that the goals were scored at the end of the game changes nothing!

Even tonight's match was a prime example. Croatia may have 'only' attacked twice in the first half but they SCORED twice. Doesn't this tell you anything? Hell even in the second half, in the space of five minutes England won a penalty which shouldn't have been awarded, then Croatia hit the crossbar after a disastrous defensive error and then Carson saved a header which he only saved because the ball hit him, rather than the other way around. England didn't even deserve to be level after the 70th minute, let alone trailing by a single goal.

England didn't deserve to even get close to a win tonight and that isn't Mclaren's fault, it is the fault of an increasingly lax game the country is playing since its time of glory and hopefully now they'll get their acts together.

That said, it is sad that we'll go for a Euro without England in it. I believe the competition will be lacking a crucial side in this continent's football, unfortunately the rules are the rules and as such England won't be competing

[Will]

Oooh this is football no wonder I had no idea what this was all about!!

[Feek]

Originally Posted by Grandad

thats really all it ought to take

Well assuming he did that, because I can't imagine him telling the team to go out and not win.

If they didn't do as they were told then whose fault is it?

The person who said "Hey guys, go and win"

Or the team who played the actual game.

Now my non football oriented mind tells me that the reason we lost the game is more likely to be due to the players on the pitch, the ones who passed the ball between them, knocked it into the other teams net and let it go into their net than the person standing on the sidelines.

So why is it that the manager is the person who gets slated? Why don't the press rip the crap out of the team who are the people who got the actual result?

I've been wondering this for a while and nobody has yet been able to give me an answer that makes sense.

[jmc41]

Originally Posted by Mark

Now if the footballers had got a wages cut as a result, that would have been more interesting.

Performance Related Pay

[Will]

England would be broke then!

And maybe at last we can have a bit of peace from the religious zealots of football fanaticism.