Official BD Xfactor Thread! - Page 23

Kitten · 09-11-2009, 13:09

It was still only a cover for making money, however you look at it. Cowell will say whatever fits his view at the time, to justify his decisions (even if it directly contradicts what he said before). Remember, Cowell was Mr Nasty to begin with. Now he's some kind of national hero, so it's all a bit pantomime for people to say 'I've lost respect for him'. He's a businessman, and a very successful one at that. He'll say what he has to say to get the best results, he doesn't care and never really has. Look at the debate and the controversy this has provoked, it's exactly what he wanted. I do believe he loves finding new talent, but this is all a bit old hat now. He needs the ratings to stay high - which is why we have all this judging crap going on. I think if it goes to public vote it should be the public that decide, plain and simple. Anything else is just not on, really.

And Davey....Shane... really??

I bet Robson & Jerome made more than Shane did

Briggykins · 09-11-2009, 13:39

Trouble is tho I don't believe the public vote does reflect what the public want. Last night if I'd voted I would probably have gone for Danyl - not because he's my favourite, but because he's been in the bottom two before and is probably vulnerable. That's probably what happened with Lloyd - bottom two last week, so people who sort of like him try to keep him in, even if he's not their favourite. Then someone who is generally considered to be safe although not necessarily the favourite to win, like Lucie, falls into the bottom two even though plenty of people would like to see her in.
That, imo, is why the judges are there and have their vote, to prevent talented performers who are generally liked by the public falling through the cracks. Otherwise we run the risk of ending up with people like Shane or, God forbid, Steve Brookstein.

Desmo · 09-11-2009, 13:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kitten

It was still only a cover for making money, however you look at it.

I know, I'm not daft

Just saying that at least originally it was about people who could sing but with the twins staying in it now clearly isn't. I'd bet my mortgage that if this was still the first year of Xfactor, Simon would have kicked the twins out.

Davey_Pitch · 09-11-2009, 13:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kitten

And Davey....Shane... really??

I bet Robson & Jerome made more than Shane did

Both albums went multi-platinum, 4 top ten singles out of 5 released (including a number one). I would say that was pretty successful, wouldn't you?

Kitten · 09-11-2009, 14:17

It was more the 'most talented' angle I was going for! R&J had the biggest selling single of the 90s..triple platinum selling singles....and not much talent to go with it!

I think generally, it's considered a failure now if you don't make the top spot with every single. It's a shame, but it's how it is - not like the old days when a top 40 placing was enough to make it 'a hit'.

Davey_Pitch · 09-11-2009, 14:18

He was easily the best singer in that particular year, he had one hell of a range to his vocals.

Kitten · 09-11-2009, 14:29

True, but he was up against Andy Abraham, Chico, Brenda. (who? The only one anyone really remembers is Chico!)..they weren't going to set the world on fire really, were they? Best of a bad bunch I'd say.

Davey_Pitch · 09-11-2009, 15:11

Don't forget Journey South, I quite liked them as well. Andy was very good at what he sung (Nat King Cole style songs) but his problem was that's pretty much the only style he could sing. Chico was funny but there was some (a little) singing talent hiding there, plus I thought the "It's Chico Time" song was hilarious

Kitten · 09-11-2009, 18:21

Yeah I forgot about Journey South. I really liked them!

Lomster · 09-11-2009, 22:24

Chico was good, the twins are unbearable to watch, even worse than stacey's voice when she talks lol
Stacey does sound like Chris on show me show me when he is pretending to be Humpty Dumpty I agree Iain lol

09-11-2009, 13:09	#221
Kitten Spinky-Spank Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: 668. The Neighbour of the Beast Posts: 11,226	It was still only a cover for making money, however you look at it. Cowell will say whatever fits his view at the time, to justify his decisions (even if it directly contradicts what he said before). Remember, Cowell was Mr Nasty to begin with. Now he's some kind of national hero, so it's all a bit pantomime for people to say 'I've lost respect for him'. He's a businessman, and a very successful one at that. He'll say what he has to say to get the best results, he doesn't care and never really has. Look at the debate and the controversy this has provoked, it's exactly what he wanted. I do believe he loves finding new talent, but this is all a bit old hat now. He needs the ratings to stay high - which is why we have all this judging crap going on. I think if it goes to public vote it should be the public that decide, plain and simple. Anything else is just not on, really. And Davey....Shane... really?? I bet Robson & Jerome made more than Shane did __________________ "You only get one life. There's no God, no rules, except for those you accept or create for yourself. Then once it's over... it's over. Dreamless sleep for ever and ever. So why not be happy while you're here?" Nate Fisher Last edited by Kitten; 09-11-2009 at 13:12.

09-11-2009, 13:39	#222
Briggykins Vodka Martini Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Exeter Posts: 753	Trouble is tho I don't believe the public vote does reflect what the public want. Last night if I'd voted I would probably have gone for Danyl - not because he's my favourite, but because he's been in the bottom two before and is probably vulnerable. That's probably what happened with Lloyd - bottom two last week, so people who sort of like him try to keep him in, even if he's not their favourite. Then someone who is generally considered to be safe although not necessarily the favourite to win, like Lucie, falls into the bottom two even though plenty of people would like to see her in. That, imo, is why the judges are there and have their vote, to prevent talented performers who are generally liked by the public falling through the cracks. Otherwise we run the risk of ending up with people like Shane or, God forbid, Steve Brookstein. __________________

09-11-2009, 14:17	#225
Kitten Spinky-Spank Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: 668. The Neighbour of the Beast Posts: 11,226	It was more the 'most talented' angle I was going for! R&J had the biggest selling single of the 90s..triple platinum selling singles....and not much talent to go with it! I think generally, it's considered a failure now if you don't make the top spot with every single. It's a shame, but it's how it is - not like the old days when a top 40 placing was enough to make it 'a hit'. __________________ "You only get one life. There's no God, no rules, except for those you accept or create for yourself. Then once it's over... it's over. Dreamless sleep for ever and ever. So why not be happy while you're here?" Nate Fisher Last edited by Kitten; 09-11-2009 at 14:23.

09-11-2009, 14:18	#226
Davey_Pitch I iz speshul Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Liverpool Posts: 6,296	He was easily the best singer in that particular year, he had one hell of a range to his vocals. __________________ Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that most frightens us. Your playing small does not serve the world. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you. We are all meant to shine as children do. It's not just in some of us; it is in everyone. And as we let our own lights shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others.

09-11-2009, 14:29	#227
Kitten Spinky-Spank Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: 668. The Neighbour of the Beast Posts: 11,226	True, but he was up against Andy Abraham, Chico, Brenda. (who? The only one anyone really remembers is Chico!)..they weren't going to set the world on fire really, were they? Best of a bad bunch I'd say. __________________ "You only get one life. There's no God, no rules, except for those you accept or create for yourself. Then once it's over... it's over. Dreamless sleep for ever and ever. So why not be happy while you're here?" Nate Fisher

09-11-2009, 15:11	#228
Davey_Pitch I iz speshul Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Liverpool Posts: 6,296	Don't forget Journey South, I quite liked them as well. Andy was very good at what he sung (Nat King Cole style songs) but his problem was that's pretty much the only style he could sing. Chico was funny but there was some (a little) singing talent hiding there, plus I thought the "It's Chico Time" song was hilarious __________________ Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that most frightens us. Your playing small does not serve the world. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you. We are all meant to shine as children do. It's not just in some of us; it is in everyone. And as we let our own lights shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others.

09-11-2009, 18:21	#229
Kitten Spinky-Spank Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: 668. The Neighbour of the Beast Posts: 11,226	Yeah I forgot about Journey South. I really liked them! __________________ "You only get one life. There's no God, no rules, except for those you accept or create for yourself. Then once it's over... it's over. Dreamless sleep for ever and ever. So why not be happy while you're here?" Nate Fisher

09-11-2009, 22:24	#230
Lomster Custom Title Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Fay-Lom mansion Posts: 2,787	Chico was good, the twins are unbearable to watch, even worse than stacey's voice when she talks lol Stacey does sound like Chris on show me show me when he is pretending to be Humpty Dumpty I agree Iain lol __________________