Addressing Muslim prejudice...

[Rich_L]

If 'Islam' is seen to encourage civil rights abuses, violence against homosexuals etc and is 'bad', I trust the same would be applied to other preachers of intolerance, like the BNP for example with their accomodation of members with a history of violence and stated policies towards homosexuality, where their 'tolerance' extends to "We would offer counselling to get people away from their deviant lifestyles, or ask them to become celibate,"

[cleanbluesky]

Originally Posted by Rich_L

If 'Islam' is seen to encourage civil rights abuses, violence against homosexuals etc and is 'bad', I trust the same would be applied to other preachers of intolerance, like the BNP for example with their accomodation of members with a history of violence and stated policies towards homosexuality, where their 'tolerance' extends to "We would offer counselling to get people away from their deviant lifestyles, or ask them to become celibate,"

For myself it would, although I'd hasten to add that whilst I consider 'counselling for deviant lifestyles' to be unnecessary its a world away from killing homosexuals and beating disobedient women.

[Del Lardo]

Originally Posted by cleanbluesky

For example, if a KKK member has never been at a hanging, does that make him part of the 'good' KKK versus the 'bad' KKK? Anyone who wants to associate themselves to something that involves systematic and prescribed civil rights abuses is either collusive or ignorant.

I'll get you a full response later on when I have more time but the KKK is a group soledy dedicated to the persecution of non whites so there are no good members as they are all racist pieces of ****. Islam is a faith dedicated to the worship of a God and the fact that some members of the faith choose to do this by killing homosexuals doesn't mean that everyone who follows the faith thinks this is a good idea.

[Del Lardo]

Originally Posted by cleanbluesky

Does that mean anything? If you want to tolerate people who believe in violence against homosexuals and women for disobedient then you are a collusive coward at best, you are also perhaps morally worse as you have less excuse to indulge in ignorance.

Perhaps your quote should be "Those who click the BBC website..."

What about fundimentalist Christians who go around beating up homosexuals? Does that make all Christians evil people who should be critised?

What about George Bush? He's a Christian and he said that God told him to attack Iraq and Afghanistan. Does that make all Christians war mongering loonatics?

[Rich_L]

Originally Posted by cleanbluesky

For myself it would, although I'd hasten to add that whilst I consider 'counselling for deviant lifestyles' to be unnecessary its a world away from killing homosexuals and beating disobedient women.

So say a policy is introduced of educating people away from Islam and its associated apparent intolerance, 'banning it' if you will by attempting to marginalise the influence of the ideology and suchlike, would you also be in favour of the same approach to be taken against the intolerance and divisive views which are preached by the BNP?

It seems to me that many BNP supporters are willing to accept the 'good parts' which, as you suggest with Islam, apparently includes a tacit endorsement of the intolerant and divisive policies they pursue. Perhaps BNP supporters should be 'educated' out of their views and given compulsory tolerance training along with the Muslims, Catholics, football supporters, [insert intolerant group here].

Why can't we just all get along?

[cleanbluesky]

Originally Posted by Rich_L

So say a policy is introduced of educating people away from Islam and its associated apparent intolerance, 'banning it' if you will by attempting to marginalise the influence of the ideology and suchlike, would you also be in favour of the same approach to be taken against the intolerance and divisive views which are preached by the BNP?

It seems to me that many BNP supporters are willing to accept the 'good parts' which, as you suggest with Islam, apparently includes a tacit endorsement of the intolerant and divisive policies they pursue. Perhaps BNP supporters should be 'educated' out of their views and given compulsory tolerance training along with the Muslims, Catholics, football supporters, [insert intolerant group here].

Apples and oranges, but a problem is a problem regardless of who is causing it. The current problem is dual standards and a willingness to tolerate violence in some groups.

Why can't we just all get along?

Because its more fun if at least one group are fed into a blender.

[cleanbluesky]

Originally Posted by Del Lardo

What about fundimentalist Christians who go around beating up homosexuals? Does that make all Christians evil people who should be critised?

What about George Bush? He's a Christian and he said that God told him to attack Iraq and Afghanistan. Does that make all Christians war mongering loonatics?

STRAW MAN, if you don't already notice the differences I suspect it will mean nothing if I point it out to you.

[cleanbluesky]

Originally Posted by Del Lardo

Islam is a faith dedicated to the worship of a God and the fact that some members of the faith choose to do this by killing homosexuals doesn't mean that everyone who follows the faith thinks this is a good idea.

So in the first part of your sentence you feel free to talk about Islam in absolutes about one aspect, yet you revert back to the popular minority/majority concept for another aspect. There is a question over how much influence an ideology would have over an individual although this doesn't change the fact that Islam prescribes death as a punishment for homosexuality. This fact cannot be fluffed up, it is cruel and barbaric and our loyalty to our fellow man should far supersede any ideas of tolerance for an ideology, particularly when it was only written by a man anyway.

[Jhadur]

Originally Posted by cleanbluesky

particularly when it was only written by a man anyway.

I'd like you to show me any religion/culture where the current ideology/laws wasn't written by a man.

[loki]

Originally Posted by cleanbluesky

I am suggesting it is prescribed in many current interpretations of Islam.

Would that not suggest then that interpretation of Islam is wrong. Or possibly that those with a vested interest(extremists) distort it for their own gain ?