iPhone 4S and iPad 2 Jailbreak

[Toby]

I tend to agree with Davey about the browsing - I find Safari on the iPhone far better than I found the browser on my old Desire - it just seems to render things better and the double-tap zoom seems far more intuitive, paying attention to frames and zooming almost always just the correct amount.

I also agree with him entirely that this is all really subjective - the hardware, performance and basic functionality of the latest iPhone and Android handsets is pretty much the same so it boils down to what you're used to and what you prefer.

When I droned on earlier I wasn't ranting or having a go at Android or its users, I was just trying to explain in a bit of detail why I prefer iOS to Android so I didn't look like I was a fanboy just spouting 'baseless opinion'

[Davey_Pitch]

Originally Posted by Kitten

I mean, let's face it, if it was 'all that' why the need for jailbreaking? Speaks volumes, but no doubt there's a 'reasonable' (read:unreasonable) explanation for that too.

I'm cutting of the rest of your post, as it's more opinion stuff so there's no need to argue/discuss it. I will say to this though, that this seems a little bit of a harsh reason to have a go at the iPhone, that because people jailbreak it, it's "not all that". I could say the same thing about the Galaxy S2, it can't be all that because I know people who've hacked it (rooted it I think is what they call it). Rooting the Android OS and Jailbreaking the iPhone just do the same thing IMO - allow the user to do more of what they want to do.

I will add though, I've had my iPhone for nearly 3 years, never jailbroke it, and still haven't found a phone that meets my needs better

[Kitten]

Originally Posted by Toby

When I droned on earlier I wasn't ranting or having a go at Android or its users, I was just trying to explain in a bit of detail why I prefer iOS to Android so I didn't look like I was a fanboy just spouting 'baseless opinion'

A bit?? Jeeesh!!! And yeah preference was kinda what I said in my very first post - that was in answer to you saying you believed it was mostly about cost (basically what triggered my response) and I don't think that's right. It's annoying and a bit blinkered to assume that most people 'only' have an Android because they can't afford an iphone. I could say that it's only because people have spent a fortune on iPhone apps and because an idiot could use it (and many do) that they're so popular - people that are afraid to change. However, I'd not say that because it's insulting to those of you that choose to use an iphone because you prefer it. It's simply down to people that prefer the s2 and Android to iphone and vice versa. I had an iphone - I think the s2 is better, however if the iphone 5, 6 whatever comes out and is better than the s2, back I'll go. In many cases, it's not about the brand, it's about which phone/OS is better suited for the user - I don't know why more people don't 'get' that and stop making up silly reasons as to why people choose the opposite number to what they prefer.

Yeah Davey, I get that, but I know few people who jailbreak S2's compared to iphones. Seems every man and his dog is at it.

[Toby]

To be fair I think it was me that mentioned cost.

With regard to that, I wasn't on about premium Android handsets like the S2, as they cost almost as much as an iPhone anyway when bought SIM-free, I was more on about the availability of cheaper Android phones which I believe are what's bolstering Android's sales figures. I think a lot of people with cheaper Android phones have them simply because they want a smartphone and, as they can't afford an iPhone or top-end Android phone like the S2, the cheaper Android handsets are the only viable option. Whilst many such buyers might get something like an S2 if funds permitted, I also believe many of them would get an iPhone instead and that's why I was saying the reason they went Android was due to cost

[Davey_Pitch]

Originally Posted by Kitten

In many cases, it's not about the brand, it's about which phone/OS is better suited for the user .

That's the be all and end all for me really. The iPhone does everything I want from a phone, which is why I prefer it. More people should look at phones the same way, rather than picking a brand and sticking with it blindly

[Kitten]

whoops, sorry, edited that while you were replying.

[LeperousDust]

I think I'm doing very well biting my tongue* with this thread But I do feel I had to post that fact I'm sure someone wondered where I was








*off in some cases

[Toby]

Just to set the record straight, I have no problem with Android at all, nor am I criticising Android users at all. I'd hate to think I'd come across that way

It's a decent OS with many good features and I'll confess that I do miss a couple of them with the iPhone but, on balance, I prefer iOS and the iPhone. I can more than understand how others could feel exactly the opposite and much prefer Android. Life would be dull if we were all the same!

Originally Posted by Kitten

A bit?? Jeeesh!!!

I had an iphone - I think the s2 is better, however if the iphone 5, 6 whatever comes out and is better than the s2, back I'll go. In many cases, it's not about the brand, it's about which phone/OS is better suited for the user - I don't know why more people don't 'get' that and stop making up silly reasons as to why people choose the opposite number to what they prefer.

Agree with that. I have no brand 'loyalty' with iOS or Android, I just personally think iOS is superior right now. Just as you say you'd be prepared to switch should a future iPhone prove worth it, I'd be prepared to give Android another go if they improved/changed enough. Reading my original comments about costs etc back now, I could have worded it better. I was never suggesting that Android was a "low budget" OS only for those who couldn't afford an iPhone, but more that the sales success that Google keep willy-waving about is, at least in part (and a significant part imo) due to the availability of cheap(er) handsets. It's obviously a good thing for the market and competition that this is so, but I'm just forced to sigh a bit when Google rant on about how much they're outselling iOS by when of course they are - they're selling into more market segments

[LeperousDust]

A very quick way to sum up the two OS' by no means 100% correct but:

Apple tend to do very little but do it well, but look at even just last gen phones missing very basic things in functionality. Apple will get there in the end, but they'll add incrementally (originally 3g, copy paste, multi-tasking). I never bought an iPod until gen5, and i always said right at gen1 iphone i'll probably wait until gen5 as a joke. But i could be right!

Android are more sledgehammer nut affair. All/most bells and whistles from the beginning, then over the course of versions tighten integration (since they have more than one handset remember, no default specs!), make it "easier" for the masses, and improve reliability battery life etc etc... Just generally clean it up. Version 1 was like a desktop originally, Ha!

Essentially they're both tending to the same point from different directions.

Personally I prefer having it all to begin with and maybe having to "play" around to get what i want.

Other people want their phone to "just work" (which is debatable every time apple upgrade inbetween) which is also fine but it tends to limit the experience (for better or worse). For android to offer the choice it does essentially it has a much larger challenge than selling one Model T in any colour as long as it's black .

That was without mentioning a single phone really, but i'd say in essence the S2 was one of the first phones (arguable my S was 90% there when released) to just work out the box. My girlfriend couldn't be more anti fussing. She was very close to buying an iPhone because she has an iPod touch. But she used the S2 and was instantly won over, she could easily wax lyrical over the interface and how easy things are really all day, which honestly slightly surprises me (! ) but it does show HOW far android (and specifically phone manufacturers and their skins too) have come since the Hero for instance.

Ok so i posted, and i lose. Sue me

[Toby]

As a technically-oriented person, I felt much the same way and that's partly why I went Android to start with, as I figured I'd want all the extra bells and whistles and ability to customise.

I soon discovered that I didn't really - I just wanted my phone to work.

It's not that Android was a bad OS per se, it was fine and the phone was great most of the time, it's just that there were too many little niggles and bugs that annoyed me so, when the time came to upgrade, I decided to give iOS a try as I hoped it'd be more 'stable' and bug-free plus, since I'd not really needed or used any of the additional features of Android, I wouldn't really miss them.

I've not looked back really. There are a few things I miss but, for me, the advantages outweigh the disadvantages