Interviews and Employees Rights - Page 3

Pheebs · 19-09-2007, 21:05

Well being slightly mucked around... was told it was probably a YAY today to which I was like "whoopi-dee-doo-dah"... but when I got home I had an email saying I would have to arrange a meeting with the head.

Luckily, I have already arranged one for next tuesday to discuss my current pay level and work status

Many MANY people at work are convinced they have to let me go. Still haven't had the chance to contact Unison and have still got to dig out my contract to see what it says... but yeh. I dunno!

I've pretty much decided if it's a no I'm going anyway and will hand in my resignation (please don't think I'm a moose for wanting to do this - I just only can see this as the fair way for both me and the employer)! I would feel very sad about leaving my kiddies though

Zirax · 19-09-2007, 21:21

Just spoke to my mum who is a teacher. Her response was really its down to the head teacher. They can't stop you going, but they can doc your pay for that day. The main thing is to be upfront and let them know far enough in advance, which you are doing. She also said to get in touch with your Union and see what they have to say

Lynne would be someone else to ask as well as she is in the teaching trade. I would let everyone in the staff room carry on, nothing like having a staff room full of glares and silence for persuasion power.

Dymetrie · 19-09-2007, 23:25

More than happy to talk to the Unison Reps that I know, but pretty sure (as you're on the teaching side) that the response will be negative

Howeverr.

If you can let me know the difference between your JD and what you're actually doing (pay grades would be handy here) then I may be able to assist in organising a pseudo argument for you

Drop me a mail in the morning with details and I'll have a word with the mouthy Unison Rep as soon as I can and mebbe get you a response by tomorrow afternoon

goldilocks · 20-09-2007, 07:44

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Originally Posted by Arcade Fire

Be strong! Show them who's boss from the off and they won't dare mess you around...

shouldn't that be the attitude of the employer, rather than the employee?

tbh i really think it's taking the mick when people expect their employer to let them have time off to attend interviews
you're doing a job, you have responsibilities
i am all for self improvement, but it should not be at the cost to others
i presume your school day finishes at 3.30? arrange an evening appointment
or wait until half term (it's not that far away)

g'luck with the meeting with your head anyway
(maybe make her a 'please let me have some time off' card!!)

Zirax · 20-09-2007, 12:48

Well I know the rules are a bit different with academics. With the issue of Pheebs being in Exeter and the commute to London, asking for the interview to be changed to 5pm would make no difference.

With regards to rearranging as well its one thing to ask to move the interview date a few days either side. They will not move it a few weeks into half term, there are more likely to say clear off.

After_8 · 20-09-2007, 15:02

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Originally Posted by Pheebs

I've pretty much decided if it's a no I'm going anyway and will hand in my resignation

I think that this is the right decision. Several people have mentioned (and I'm fairly sure are correct) that the employer does not technically have to give you the time off, but some people seem to forget that although there are laws in place about this kind of thing, on both sides of the table there is (supposed to be) a human being. Particularly when working in a school, if it's not possible to arrange a bit of leniency to help each other out from time to time (in both directions), then I would question the suitability of that person for that workplace.

Pheebs · 20-09-2007, 17:33

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Originally Posted by goldilocks

tbh i really think it's taking the mick when people expect their employer to let them have time off to attend interviews

But then how'd they get jobs elsewhere?

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you're doing a job, you have responsibilities

Heh, well in my situation I'm doing much more than the job I should be doing - and they know it! They're meeting with me to discuss this further with me (Unison are well angry about it all!) I'm being taken for a ride and a half me! (they owe me uber amounts of dosh!)

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i am all for self improvement, but it should not be at the cost to others

I agree in some respect. I'm very much a - you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours person. They know I'm dedicated and work my bottom off for them so a few days off (unpaid!) to pursue something that could make me for life is asking for not much in return! Plus - it won't cost them and my line manager has already said she could cover the lessons I'm in

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i presume your school day finishes at 3.30? arrange an evening appointment

I would do if I had a personal jet to fly me up to London

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or wait until half term (it's not that far away)

Heh... well, unfortunately, the people I'm meeting are directors of big international companies and they gave me what dates they could do (which nearest were October) and then said next time they could see me was December. I canny, therefore, do it in half term

Boo!

I do agree with what you say in principle, but I think every situation has it's own spin on it and requires a little leeway

I believe from the depths of my heart that I am doing everything in the correct way (informing them well in advanced and being completely honest! Atleast I haven't pulled a sicky or made up that I have a docs appointment or something!) And if they canny let me go then I'm doing the decent thing by handing in my resignation! I'm really not one to muck around employers - it's not fair

As for Unison (and Unions) - fankoo so much Dym for your offer of phonecalls but I'm already there! They're going to call me back tomorrow with regards to it (as my local one has ill people in it and they're all off sick!... or possibly at interviews

)

Fankoo so much for all your help people and advice

Will · 20-09-2007, 18:55

Glad I don't work in the teaching industry! I like Desmo would pretty much have my boss hat on and say, fine go, but you're not getting paid for it.

Good luck Pheebs - I really want you to succeed in this because I reckon this will be a great step in the right direction for you

However you manage to sort it out I'm sure you'll do your best, and hope it all goes well.

Mark · 20-09-2007, 19:28

I don't think there's any argument there. I'd expect it to be taken either as holiday or unpaid leave, and as there's no option for holiday in this instance, that leaves only the other option.

loki · 20-09-2007, 19:41

Pheebs will they not allow you to bring forward a days holiday from your next years entitlement at all ? Im a Union rep at our place and the ruling is that interviews are within your own time or holidays.

19-09-2007, 21:05	#21
Pheebs Deep Throat Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 6,512	Well being slightly mucked around... was told it was probably a YAY today to which I was like "whoopi-dee-doo-dah"... but when I got home I had an email saying I would have to arrange a meeting with the head. Luckily, I have already arranged one for next tuesday to discuss my current pay level and work status Many MANY people at work are convinced they have to let me go. Still haven't had the chance to contact Unison and have still got to dig out my contract to see what it says... but yeh. I dunno! I've pretty much decided if it's a no I'm going anyway and will hand in my resignation (please don't think I'm a moose for wanting to do this - I just only can see this as the fair way for both me and the employer)! I would feel very sad about leaving my kiddies though __________________ http://www.spiffingdesigns.co.uk

19-09-2007, 23:25	#23
Dymetrie A large glass of Merlot Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Letchworth with a Lightsaber Posts: 5,819	More than happy to talk to the Unison Reps that I know, but pretty sure (as you're on the teaching side) that the response will be negative Howeverr. If you can let me know the difference between your JD and what you're actually doing (pay grades would be handy here) then I may be able to assist in organising a pseudo argument for you Drop me a mail in the morning with details and I'll have a word with the mouthy Unison Rep as soon as I can and mebbe get you a response by tomorrow afternoon __________________ Khef, Ka and Ka-Tet....

20-09-2007, 18:55	#28
Will BBx woz 'ere :P Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 2,147,487,208	Glad I don't work in the teaching industry! I like Desmo would pretty much have my boss hat on and say, fine go, but you're not getting paid for it. Good luck Pheebs - I really want you to succeed in this because I reckon this will be a great step in the right direction for you However you manage to sort it out I'm sure you'll do your best, and hope it all goes well. __________________ *No No!*

19-09-2007, 21:21	#22
Zirax Goes up to 11! Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,577	Just spoke to my mum who is a teacher. Her response was really its down to the head teacher. They can't stop you going, but they can doc your pay for that day. The main thing is to be upfront and let them know far enough in advance, which you are doing. She also said to get in touch with your Union and see what they have to say Lynne would be someone else to ask as well as she is in the teaching trade. I would let everyone in the staff room carry on, nothing like having a staff room full of glares and silence for persuasion power.

20-09-2007, 12:48	#25
Zirax Goes up to 11! Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,577	Well I know the rules are a bit different with academics. With the issue of Pheebs being in Exeter and the commute to London, asking for the interview to be changed to 5pm would make no difference. With regards to rearranging as well its one thing to ask to move the interview date a few days either side. They will not move it a few weeks into half term, there are more likely to say clear off.

20-09-2007, 19:28	#29
Mark Screaming Orgasm Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Newbury Posts: 15,194	I don't think there's any argument there. I'd expect it to be taken either as holiday or unpaid leave, and as there's no option for holiday in this instance, that leaves only the other option.

20-09-2007, 19:41	#30
loki Vodka Martini Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Manchester UK Posts: 871	Pheebs will they not allow you to bring forward a days holiday from your next years entitlement at all ? Im a Union rep at our place and the ruling is that interviews are within your own time or holidays.