Scientology - Page 3

Matblack · 27-01-2008, 19:19

Lots of info here

http://www.xenu.net/

Fascinating stuff I've read a lot of it, if you want to educate yourselves on Scientology this is a good place to start.

MB

SidewinderINC · 27-01-2008, 19:23

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Originally Posted by Del Lardo

The only reason that people get so pent up about Scientology is that it is a relatively new religion. IMO it's a big pile of bollox but I think that about all organised religion

I completely agree, Scientology gets the brunt of most jokes becuase people haven't been brought up knowing what it is.
If Christianity or any other "Major" religion was only started recently we would all laugh at the concepts it attempted to put across.

They had a load of the e-Meters and guys selling the books and attempting to sign people up and give them readings in portsmouth market when I was there last.

Dymetrie · 27-01-2008, 19:33

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Originally Posted by SidewinderINC

If Christianity or any other "Major" religion was only started recently we would all laugh at the concepts it attempted to put across.

I laugh at most major religions anyway

Mark · 27-01-2008, 19:34

Yup, I've been 'educating' myself recently. My argument against Scientology was a bit weak earlier in this thread. It isn't now.

Dianetics background (as pointed out by MB, and I also have no problem with this part if it genuinely helps people, rather than as a tool used to indoctrinate people), removals, treatment afforded those who wish to leave, attempted suppression of information (admittedly they have every right to defend copyright), unwillingness to engage in coherant discussion of their beliefs, and so forth.

Add to that the fact that attainment of 'levels' is primarily by financial means (i.e. in order to attain the 'knowledge' of Scientology, you have to pay for it, and boy do they ever want you to pay - you thought salesmen were persuasive, think again). Sums involved typically amount to tens of thousands of pounds, and where do these funds come from? Often loans, mortgages, etc. No wonder there are reports of people ending up destitute as a result.

Of course, the whole Xenu/Thetans/volcanoes thing has L Ron Hubbard's sci-fi background stamped all over it, but if people want to believe that, then so be it. I won't even object if people go join the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster (a blatantly made-up and harmless pseudo-religion used to prove a point with various US School Boards who had a penchant for Intelligent Design).

No religion is perfect and all have their atrocities. Scientology may well meet many of the requirements of a religion, I don't see it as one personally - it's a money-making pyramid scheme and a very effective one. The German Government, it seems, agrees with me. I wonder how many insiders they had when they got their US tax-exempt status.

I rest my case.

SidewinderINC · 27-01-2008, 19:43

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Originally Posted by dymetrie

I laugh at most major religions anyway

Me too

Matblack · 27-01-2008, 19:44

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Originally Posted by SidewinderINC

Me too

Ohhh shhhhhh, no ones laughing at you.

Well, probably not :sniggers:

MB

SidewinderINC · 27-01-2008, 19:50

Everybody laughs at me

Just getting my own back

Daz · 27-01-2008, 22:38

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Originally Posted by Matblack

Lots of info here

http://www.xenu.net/

Fascinating stuff I've read a lot of it, if you want to educate yourselves on Scientology this is a good place to start.

MB

Thanks for that, lots of info there

I've enjoyed reading peoples comments here too.

Matblack · 29-01-2008, 14:31

It looks like Project Chanology is escalating to a physical manifestation!

There are going to be a number of protests outside known CoS HQs on the 10th of Feb.

It seems like this has escalated not because of any real hatred of the CoS but because of the strong arm tactics they used to get the Tom Cruise video off the internet, very strange but it make some interesting reading http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/PROJECT_CHANOLOGY

I know ae is a know vehicle for rubbish but is seems that the protests they are talking about are real, this is also a ymtd regarding scientology which make interesting watching but I'm not going to link to it because it has a couple of pics which aren't going to appeal to a lot of people (dead bodies)

MB

karbon · 29-01-2008, 14:47

a glasgow based forum im on are planning to wander through to edinburgh to sit about outside the CoS place there.

27-01-2008, 19:19	#21
Matblack Baby Bore Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Svalbard Posts: 9,770	Lots of info here http://www.xenu.net/ Fascinating stuff I've read a lot of it, if you want to educate yourselves on Scientology this is a good place to start. MB __________________ "we had roots that grew towards each other underground, and when all the pretty blossom had fallen from our branches we found that we were one tree and not two"

27-01-2008, 19:34	#24
Mark Screaming Orgasm Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Newbury Posts: 15,194	Yup, I've been 'educating' myself recently. My argument against Scientology was a bit weak earlier in this thread. It isn't now. Dianetics background (as pointed out by MB, and I also have no problem with this part if it genuinely helps people, rather than as a tool used to indoctrinate people), removals, treatment afforded those who wish to leave, attempted suppression of information (admittedly they have every right to defend copyright), unwillingness to engage in coherant discussion of their beliefs, and so forth. Add to that the fact that attainment of 'levels' is primarily by financial means (i.e. in order to attain the 'knowledge' of Scientology, you have to pay for it, and boy do they ever want you to pay - you thought salesmen were persuasive, think again). Sums involved typically amount to tens of thousands of pounds, and where do these funds come from? Often loans, mortgages, etc. No wonder there are reports of people ending up destitute as a result. Of course, the whole Xenu/Thetans/volcanoes thing has L Ron Hubbard's sci-fi background stamped all over it, but if people want to believe that, then so be it. I won't even object if people go join the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster (a blatantly made-up and harmless pseudo-religion used to prove a point with various US School Boards who had a penchant for Intelligent Design). No religion is perfect and all have their atrocities. Scientology may well meet many of the requirements of a religion, I don't see it as one personally - it's a money-making pyramid scheme and a very effective one. The German Government, it seems, agrees with me. I wonder how many insiders they had when they got their US tax-exempt status. I rest my case. Last edited by Mark; 27-01-2008 at 20:58.

27-01-2008, 19:50	#27
SidewinderINC Joey Tempest Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Gravesend. Posts: 2,751	Everybody laughs at me Just getting my own back __________________ No Sig.

29-01-2008, 14:31	#29
Matblack Baby Bore Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Svalbard Posts: 9,770	It looks like Project Chanology is escalating to a physical manifestation! There are going to be a number of protests outside known CoS HQs on the 10th of Feb. It seems like this has escalated not because of any real hatred of the CoS but because of the strong arm tactics they used to get the Tom Cruise video off the internet, very strange but it make some interesting reading http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/PROJECT_CHANOLOGY I know ae is a know vehicle for rubbish but is seems that the protests they are talking about are real, this is also a ymtd regarding scientology which make interesting watching but I'm not going to link to it because it has a couple of pics which aren't going to appeal to a lot of people (dead bodies) MB __________________ "we had roots that grew towards each other underground, and when all the pretty blossom had fallen from our branches we found that we were one tree and not two"

29-01-2008, 14:47	#30
karbon Long Island Iced Tea Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Glasvegas Posts: 475	a glasgow based forum im on are planning to wander through to edinburgh to sit about outside the CoS place there. __________________