Thoughts on Suicide - Page 3

vix · 26-09-2008, 12:40

Pebs you used to work for the ambulances at one time didn't you?

Pebs · 26-09-2008, 12:45

Yes Vix, thats what I mean. It is a stereotype but they're all variations on a theme.

Tak · 26-09-2008, 12:52

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Originally Posted by cleanbluesky

like a test to see if the people around them value them enough to put the work in.

Whilst I don't doubt that this could apply to some, if someone is really that depressed, I don't think they would be logical enough to "test" people

Pebs · 26-09-2008, 12:56

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Originally Posted by cleanbluesky

Someone in the depths of depression is no party, although I think thats how it works - like a test to see if the people around them value them enough to put the work in.

Depression....I have so many conflicting opinions on this, not all of them even remotely PC

I think it's almost like suicide, there are those that have it and those that play at it. A good proportion of 'depressed' people need someone to give them a bloody good shake and tell them to get their sh*t together.

Gnat · 26-09-2008, 13:24

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Originally Posted by NokkonWud

...certainly for any healthy human being is the ultimate act of selfishness towards their friends and family - especially those who have children.

I maintain that crippling illnesses, ones that are agonizingly painful and those that become a drain on family and friends are the only legitimate excuses - certainly from my point of view.

Anyone who is considering suicide surely is not at all healthy though are they? Not mentally anyway, although they may outwardly appear fine because often these are thing that people struggle with privately and don't talk about as far as i have seen. (I am of course talking about the seriously considering it, not those that do things like pebs' example.)

Amnyone who is considering it will more than likely have thought of their family I would imagine, and for them to go through with it, they must think that their family would be better off without them. If they felt they had someone to go to who cared, would they be considering it in the first place, as I imagine someone would have to feel very alone to be considering taking such a course of action.

And as others have said, in the example of depression, that can be a crippling illness too.

cleanbluesky · 26-09-2008, 15:27

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Originally Posted by Takhisis

Whilst I don't doubt that this could apply to some, if someone is really that depressed, I don't think they would be logical enough to "test" people

I'm talking about evolution - if a person is depressed then their community might make effort to help them and they get better, if they're not worth anything to their community they top themselves... it would make evolutionary sense

loki · 26-09-2008, 15:40

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Originally Posted by cleanbluesky

I'm talking about evolution - if a person is depressed then their community might make effort to help them and they get better, if they're not worth anything to their community they top themselves... it would make evolutionary sense

Or if they contribute too much to society they feel that they cannot contribute any more and commit suicide.

Blighter · 26-09-2008, 15:47

I feel that if you are really ill (i.e. on a life support machine/coma/whatever where you WONT get better), then yes, suicide might be more suitable then living.

Just think, would you rather your love ones go through a month of hell on a machine that's keeping them alive, or would you rather them have a peaceful death without any pain?

cleanbluesky · 26-09-2008, 16:22

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Originally Posted by loki

Or if they contribute too much to society they feel that they cannot contribute any more and commit suicide.

I can't think of a case where that has happened, surely Edison would have suicided if that were the case

cleanbluesky · 26-09-2008, 16:23

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Originally Posted by Pebs

Depression....I have so many conflicting opinions on this, not all of them even remotely PC

I think it's almost like suicide, there are those that have it and those that play at it. A good proportion of 'depressed' people need someone to give them a bloody good shake and tell them to get their sh*t together.

I wonder about this sometimes. I think all depressives need to snap-out-of-it but question is how to make them...

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