Gordon Brown - gone! - Page 4

cheets · 11-05-2010, 21:33

Sad day, tories in lib dems sold out

Glaucus · 11-05-2010, 22:15

On top of that did you really want labour to stay in and double our deficit. However hard the pill is to swallow. The debt is unsustainable as it is, without increasing it. It has to be paid off or at least reduced.

Pickers · 11-05-2010, 22:31

I have a feeling torys are going to be bad news for my lifestyle and more importantly, my job. I shall see what happens, but I think more cuts to education will come with a Tory government than what labour would have done.

divine · 12-05-2010, 13:58

One of their first changes - increasing the limit needed for a vote of no confidence in the commons.

Conveniently, they've raised it to 55%, just above the 53% of opposition held seats, so now they can only come unstuck if they vote no confidence in themselves, even if every other MP in the commons votes no confidence.

:/

Matblack · 12-05-2010, 19:01

You know what? I don't mind being worse off to a certain extent, we haven't had too bad a time of it over the past few years really, not a when you compare it to the 70s and 80s, I understand that we've overspent and now the pain will come.

However what really really annoys me is that when the Tories are in then its the lower and middle earners that take the pain and the rich just get richer.

They wanted to raise inheritance tax for multi millionaires and they are talking about phasing in the raising of the tax limit to £10k rather than just doing it and paying for it with some money from the rich. Now the Lib Dems might moderate that but I don't think George Osbourne is going to be slicing up his fortune to benefit us. Tories widen the gap between rich and poor and whether they have the Lib Dems to moderate them, they will still try to do what they always do. It wasn't that long ago that they dropped their plans to dismantle the NHS and make everyone who couldn't pay for health insurance a second class citizen.

If you look at their justifications for not raising NI, who's advice were they bandying around? The CEOs of major retailers, i.e. people with a shed load of cash, do you think they might want to keep their overheads low? Maybe just maybe the Tories want to make the rich richer?

MB

Stan_Lite · 12-05-2010, 19:14

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Originally Posted by Matblack

You know what? I don't mind being worse off to a certain extent, we haven't had too bad a time of it over the past few years really, not a when you compare it to the 70s and 80s, I understand that we've overspent and now the pain will come.

However what really really annoys me is that when the Tories are in then its the lower and middle earners that take the pain and the rich just get richer.

MB

I'm of the same mind (not surprisingly). I'm one of those people who would be happy to pay an extra penny in income tax - if I thought it was likely to benefit the country and/or those who need it.

I begrudge every penny I hand over to the Tories. They'd take the extra penny and give it to some businessman to buy carbon fibre seats for his yacht.

Del Lardo · 12-05-2010, 19:31

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Originally Posted by Stan_Lite

I begrudge every penny I hand over to the Tories. They'd take the extra penny and give it to some businessman to buy carbon fibre seats for his yacht.

I'd rather buy a businessman a carbon fibre seat than a single mum a pack of fags to smoke in front of her children

Will · 12-05-2010, 19:50

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Originally Posted by Del Lardo

I'd rather buy a businessman a carbon fibre seat than a single mum a pack of fags to smoke in front of her children

Indeed.

Aitch · 12-05-2010, 21:15

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Originally Posted by Del Lardo

I'd rather buy a businessman a carbon fibre seat than a single mum a pack of fags to smoke in front of her children

I wouldn't lose sleep over that, duty on cigarettes represents one of the most regressive tax policies currently in existence. Albeit there are other arguments for taxing fags etc.

I'm with those concerned about the emphasis of Conservative cuts which I have no doubt will hit the less advantaged hardest. However, given that prior to the election campaign I had expected an outright win for 'call me Dave' I feel that a coalition with the LD, including key positions for Clegg & Cable, is the best outcome I could have hoped for. Now it's a case of seeing how it all plays put in practice

Matblack · 12-05-2010, 19:30

I expect the Tories to do a perfectly respectable job with the economy, as good as any other party, maybe even better.

MB

11-05-2010, 22:15	#2
Glaucus Absinthe Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,855	On top of that did you really want labour to stay in and double our deficit. However hard the pill is to swallow. The debt is unsustainable as it is, without increasing it. It has to be paid off or at least reduced. __________________

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Pickers Absinthe Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Cornwall Posts: 2,692	I have a feeling torys are going to be bad news for my lifestyle and more importantly, my job. I shall see what happens, but I think more cuts to education will come with a Tory government than what labour would have done. __________________ Pictures

12-05-2010, 13:58	#4
divine Moonshine Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Southampton Posts: 3,201	One of their first changes - increasing the limit needed for a vote of no confidence in the commons. Conveniently, they've raised it to 55%, just above the 53% of opposition held seats, so now they can only come unstuck if they vote no confidence in themselves, even if every other MP in the commons votes no confidence. :/ __________________

12-05-2010, 19:01	#5
Matblack Baby Bore Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Svalbard Posts: 9,770	You know what? I don't mind being worse off to a certain extent, we haven't had too bad a time of it over the past few years really, not a when you compare it to the 70s and 80s, I understand that we've overspent and now the pain will come. However what really really annoys me is that when the Tories are in then its the lower and middle earners that take the pain and the rich just get richer. They wanted to raise inheritance tax for multi millionaires and they are talking about phasing in the raising of the tax limit to £10k rather than just doing it and paying for it with some money from the rich. Now the Lib Dems might moderate that but I don't think George Osbourne is going to be slicing up his fortune to benefit us. Tories widen the gap between rich and poor and whether they have the Lib Dems to moderate them, they will still try to do what they always do. It wasn't that long ago that they dropped their plans to dismantle the NHS and make everyone who couldn't pay for health insurance a second class citizen. If you look at their justifications for not raising NI, who's advice were they bandying around? The CEOs of major retailers, i.e. people with a shed load of cash, do you think they might want to keep their overheads low? Maybe just maybe the Tories want to make the rich richer? MB __________________ "we had roots that grew towards each other underground, and when all the pretty blossom had fallen from our branches we found that we were one tree and not two"

12-05-2010, 19:30	#10
Matblack Baby Bore Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Svalbard Posts: 9,770	I expect the Tories to do a perfectly respectable job with the economy, as good as any other party, maybe even better. MB __________________ "we had roots that grew towards each other underground, and when all the pretty blossom had fallen from our branches we found that we were one tree and not two"

11-05-2010, 21:33	#1
cheets Long Island Iced Tea Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 442	Sad day, tories in lib dems sold out