Apparently someone really doesn't want me to have a server! - Page 5

Daz · 07-07-2008, 22:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burble

JBOD = Just a Bunch of Discs. Basically take all the discs and present the sum of the volumes of them to the OS as a single volume.

See I didnt think it did that, I thought it just surfaced each disk in turn. And indeed, from the wiki:

Quote:

JBOD stands for Just a Bunch of Disks. The controller treats each drive as a stand-alone disk, therefore each drive is an independent logical drive.

Wouldn't be the first bit of duff info on Wikipedia though!

LeperousDust · 07-07-2008, 23:23

Oh, so it says that. Hmmm. well i'll look into it then, but this might mean installing the bloody RAID software for something thats essentially not friggin RAID

Great. This is stupid, but they i'm working on a budget of free i supose i can't have everything.

Burble in a perfect world i'd be buying what i need but i'm clubbing old PC's together in the hope of getting a decent working one (again).

I think for now i'll give in, plug in the 5 biggest ones i can and when i get close to running out of room cross that hurdle (by probably buying a sensible card which i'll check is supported first

). I may play around tomorrow but this is getting to be a farse when i would just like it to work

Mark · 07-07-2008, 23:45

Burble is correct, and so is Wikipedia. JBOD = two disks in, two disks out. Basically it disables all the softRAID crap. Surprising how many people think JBOD concatenates the drives (including misinformed hardware manufacturers). The correct term for what you're thinking of is a Concatenated or Spanned array.

It should work, but I also agree you'd be better getting a SATA controller to do the job. Highpoint controllers are best avoided. The end.

LeperousDust · 08-07-2008, 01:20

Ok so the strangeness continues. Went to arse around installing their ruddy software after i'd shuffled drives around, and it turns out (wait for this) the high point card won't play nice with highpoint PATA to SATA converters

. Although i know they worked fine in Ubuntu, strange. So the native SATA drives are on the rocketraid working flawlessly, and the PATA converted ones are split onboard SATA and native PATA. That all sounds pretty confusing, and yeah it is, especially when you look at windows and wonder which one of the 4 seagates each one is after they been put through loads of different controller and converters

Like fish in a barrel trying to work out which one isn't playing fair. I wish i could label them...

So i'm finally done it seems until the next thing goes wrong. I've got 2TB of pretty failure safe storage (yes its not the same as backups, and no **** off

) to play with now (for everyone though so it shant last long). I've got my apache server working how i want but its proving more hassle for me right now serving my files online, i've stopped it for the time being pushed back to IIS and using the built in websharing thingywhatsit with windows for now, its pretty good really. And i've got an FTP as backup if i really need it.

Next on the list is getting uTorrent working how i wish (working in generally will be a good start though). Then giving everyone access to the webGUI this will stop raping of the connection and means i can be careful with our STMing. Torrent will be banned between STM hours from other IP's with layer7 filtering from the router.

Same goes for installing and policing Alt.Binz or Newsleecher (whichever has or has a better webGUI i haven't checked yet). Then i think i'm getting close to being sorted! Wow never thought i'd see the day. Already eyeing up more storage though, i've got room for another 3 hard drives 4 at a push, before i start replacing smaller with larger breathen, i'd say thats as future proof as my free project (thats taken probably over a year realistically and ended up with me back at windows) goes...

Cheer for the help and just genereally listening to me moan

I'm sure i'm be back though trying to get uTorrent and a Usenet client playing fair.

Bedtiiiime.

Mark · 08-07-2008, 01:27

Don't wish to be smug and say I told you so, but I told you so.

It's common knowledge that the converters (all of them, though in truth they're probably all rebadged Highpoint) don't play nice under certain conditions. You just found one.

Bedtime for me as well.

Chuckles · 08-07-2008, 01:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daz

See I didnt think it did that, I thought it just surfaced each disk in turn.

Yeah I'm sure that's correct as well. I've set up a load of PowerVault 220S before and they just present to disks. It's the RAID controller you do all the config on.

LeperousDust · 08-07-2008, 01:53

I didn't need any JBODing anyway, when things played nice they were seen as just drives

Unless it JBOD's as default? Unsure, anyway i don't care since it works

BTW if someone gets a chance tell me if my ftp works from outside for definate and point out any glaring security holes possibly?
IP: 80.195.254.32
Port 990
FTP over SSL(FTPS)
Username:boatdrinks
Password: welcomeaboard
The certificate thing is quite annoying, not sure how i'd fix that i'm assuming its because i've SSLed the connection though

Mark · 08-07-2008, 01:54

starscream, vague post tbh.

Your post could mean either the right answer or the wrong one.

As for the FTPS, no dice. I poked it a few different ways and nothing worked.

Daz · 08-07-2008, 10:08

It's not configured quite right Alex. I get a connection started (the cert errors because it's out of date, you need to generate a new one, or replace it as per your server's documentation), but it sends back a private IP for the client to talk to, which obviously I cant:

Quote:

Status: Connecting to 80.195.254.32:990...
Status: Connection established, initializing TLS...
Status: Verifying certificate...
Status: TLS/SSL connection established, waiting for welcome message...
Response: 220 Welcome to WinFtp Server.
Command: USER boatdrinks
Response: 331 Password required for boatdrinks
Command: PASS *************
Response: 230 Logged on
Command: SYST
Response: 215 UNIX Type: L8
Command: FEAT
Response: 211-Extension supported
Response: CLNT
Response: AUTH SSL
Response: PBSZ
Response: PROT
Response: SIZE
Response: SITE PSWD;MSG
Response: 211 End
Command: PBSZ 0
Response: 200 Command ok. PBSZ=0.
Command: PROT P
Response: 200 Encrypting Data Channel.
Status: Connected
Status: Retrieving directory listing...
Command: PWD
Response: 257 "/" is current directory.
Command: TYPE I
Response: 200 Type set to I
Command: PASV
Response: 227 Entering Passive Mode (192,168,1,100,4,9)
Status: Server sent passive reply with unroutable address. Using server address instead.
Command: LIST
Error: Connection timed out
Error: Failed to retrieve directory listing

Incidentally I'd never even heard of FTPS until this. I initially thought you meant SFTP, and pointed a client there but got nothing, so looked it up. Learn something new every day!

Mark · 08-07-2008, 10:15

So it still sends the password plaintext? Some security that is then.

07-07-2008, 23:23	#42
LeperousDust Bananaman Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Liverpool/Edinburgh Posts: 4,817	Oh, so it says that. Hmmm. well i'll look into it then, but this might mean installing the bloody RAID software for something thats essentially not friggin RAID Great. This is stupid, but they i'm working on a budget of free i supose i can't have everything. Burble in a perfect world i'd be buying what i need but i'm clubbing old PC's together in the hope of getting a decent working one (again). I think for now i'll give in, plug in the 5 biggest ones i can and when i get close to running out of room cross that hurdle (by probably buying a sensible card which i'll check is supported first ). I may play around tomorrow but this is getting to be a farse when i would just like it to work __________________

07-07-2008, 23:45	#43
Mark Screaming Orgasm Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Newbury Posts: 15,194	Burble is correct, and so is Wikipedia. JBOD = two disks in, two disks out. Basically it disables all the softRAID crap. Surprising how many people think JBOD concatenates the drives (including misinformed hardware manufacturers). The correct term for what you're thinking of is a Concatenated or Spanned array. It should work, but I also agree you'd be better getting a SATA controller to do the job. Highpoint controllers are best avoided. The end. Last edited by Mark; 07-07-2008 at 23:52.

08-07-2008, 01:20	#44
LeperousDust Bananaman Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Liverpool/Edinburgh Posts: 4,817	Ok so the strangeness continues. Went to arse around installing their ruddy software after i'd shuffled drives around, and it turns out (wait for this) the high point card won't play nice with highpoint PATA to SATA converters . Although i know they worked fine in Ubuntu, strange. So the native SATA drives are on the rocketraid working flawlessly, and the PATA converted ones are split onboard SATA and native PATA. That all sounds pretty confusing, and yeah it is, especially when you look at windows and wonder which one of the 4 seagates each one is after they been put through loads of different controller and converters Like fish in a barrel trying to work out which one isn't playing fair. I wish i could label them... So i'm finally done it seems until the next thing goes wrong. I've got 2TB of pretty failure safe storage (yes its not the same as backups, and no **** off ) to play with now (for everyone though so it shant last long). I've got my apache server working how i want but its proving more hassle for me right now serving my files online, i've stopped it for the time being pushed back to IIS and using the built in websharing thingywhatsit with windows for now, its pretty good really. And i've got an FTP as backup if i really need it. Next on the list is getting uTorrent working how i wish (working in generally will be a good start though). Then giving everyone access to the webGUI this will stop raping of the connection and means i can be careful with our STMing. Torrent will be banned between STM hours from other IP's with layer7 filtering from the router. Same goes for installing and policing Alt.Binz or Newsleecher (whichever has or has a better webGUI i haven't checked yet). Then i think i'm getting close to being sorted! Wow never thought i'd see the day. Already eyeing up more storage though, i've got room for another 3 hard drives 4 at a push, before i start replacing smaller with larger breathen, i'd say thats as future proof as my free project (thats taken probably over a year realistically and ended up with me back at windows) goes... Cheer for the help and just genereally listening to me moan I'm sure i'm be back though trying to get uTorrent and a Usenet client playing fair. Bedtiiiime. __________________

08-07-2008, 01:53	#47
LeperousDust Bananaman Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Liverpool/Edinburgh Posts: 4,817	I didn't need any JBODing anyway, when things played nice they were seen as just drives Unless it JBOD's as default? Unsure, anyway i don't care since it works BTW if someone gets a chance tell me if my ftp works from outside for definate and point out any glaring security holes possibly? IP: 80.195.254.32 Port 990 FTP over SSL(FTPS) Username:boatdrinks Password: welcomeaboard The certificate thing is quite annoying, not sure how i'd fix that i'm assuming its because i've SSLed the connection though __________________

08-07-2008, 01:54	#48
Mark Screaming Orgasm Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Newbury Posts: 15,194	starscream, vague post tbh. Your post could mean either the right answer or the wrong one. As for the FTPS, no dice. I poked it a few different ways and nothing worked. Last edited by Mark; 08-07-2008 at 02:16.

08-07-2008, 01:27	#45
Mark Screaming Orgasm Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Newbury Posts: 15,194	Don't wish to be smug and say I told you so, but I told you so. It's common knowledge that the converters (all of them, though in truth they're probably all rebadged Highpoint) don't play nice under certain conditions. You just found one. Bedtime for me as well.

08-07-2008, 10:15	#50
Mark Screaming Orgasm Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Newbury Posts: 15,194	So it still sends the password plaintext? Some security that is then.