New mobile phone, ****ers - Page 5

phykell · 23-09-2008, 14:28

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Originally Posted by chumpychops

What is the optimum pixel count for taking grainy B&W pictures of gravestones?

Canon A1 and Ilford FP1

Stan_Lite · 24-09-2008, 06:29

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Originally Posted by divine

8.1MP will look crap if it's still a small rubbish sensor with a plastic lens like the rest of their phone cameras are still.

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Originally Posted by Chuckles

Yup, the more MP the ****ter the picture will actually look unless the sensors are improved (which they aren't!).

This I can confirm. The pictures I took with my SE K800i with it's 3.2MP are twice as good as the pics I get with my 5MP Sammy G800.

If you're looking for a fairly basic, good quality, reliable phone with a passable camera, you could do a lot worse than the K800i - I'm seriously considering ditching the Sammy and going back to it.

Knipples · 24-09-2008, 07:07

My n82 is a 5mp Carl Zeiss, with a xenon flash, and it takes some pretty stonking photos I have to say.

cleanbluesky · 24-09-2008, 12:38

Just to clarify the comment about megapixels - we're not saying an 8mp phone wouldn't be an improvement, just that the number of megapixels doesn't measure the quality of the camera - just the size of the pictures.

Mark · 24-09-2008, 13:17

It's the sensor size and 'glass' that count. More megapixels on the same size sensor = more pixels/inch = less available photons/pixel = crappier image. It's Physics, Jim.

divine · 24-09-2008, 13:24

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Originally Posted by Mark

It's the sensor size and 'glass' that count. More megapixels on the same size sensor = more pixels/inch = less available photons/pixel = crappier image. It's Physics, Jim.

To an extent, dependant on processing from the sensor. Going by purely that logic, the 5Dii would have a much worse image than the D700 which has a sensor the same size with almost half as many pixels but we all know this won't be the case.

However, in the case of phone cameras, this will usually be true as they dont put so much effort in. My K850i looks worse than the K800i most of the time at 100% as the noise would have been worse and it has a lot of fairly poor noise reduction performed on it that really shows up when viewed full size.

Mark · 24-09-2008, 13:29

Aye - exception for dSLR as they put the effort in to make better quality sensors to compensate. While you're going to end up with less photons, there are things you can do to improve the detection of those and thus improve the image.

Most cheapo cameras (phones included) just use the same old same old sensor technology and cram in more pixels, which will, eventually fall on its derrière.

24-09-2008, 07:07	#43
Knipples nipples lol (o)(o) Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Brissle!!! Posts: 4,947	My n82 is a 5mp Carl Zeiss, with a xenon flash, and it takes some pretty stonking photos I have to say.

24-09-2008, 12:38	#44
cleanbluesky Abandoned Ship Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 492	Just to clarify the comment about megapixels - we're not saying an 8mp phone wouldn't be an improvement, just that the number of megapixels doesn't measure the quality of the camera - just the size of the pictures.

24-09-2008, 13:17	#45
Mark Screaming Orgasm Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Newbury Posts: 15,194	It's the sensor size and 'glass' that count. More megapixels on the same size sensor = more pixels/inch = less available photons/pixel = crappier image. It's Physics, Jim.

24-09-2008, 13:29	#47
Mark Screaming Orgasm Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Newbury Posts: 15,194	Aye - exception for dSLR as they put the effort in to make better quality sensors to compensate. While you're going to end up with less photons, there are things you can do to improve the detection of those and thus improve the image. Most cheapo cameras (phones included) just use the same old same old sensor technology and cram in more pixels, which will, eventually fall on its derrière.