iPhone 3G[s] - Page 61

Burble · 03-08-2009, 09:20

So Apple have released 3.01 to patch the SMS bug. I've just updated my jailbroken phone without a problem but with it being jailbroken there are a few extra steps you need to go through to get all your Cydia stuff installed after the update.

If anyone is interested in how I did it I'll post up some instructions later.

Mark · 03-08-2009, 15:10

Guess that means the option to archive the files for a future jailbreak is gone then, so less urgency on me.

Got a couple of questions for Daz on the HTC side of things, then I'll decide, but here's the current state of play:

iPhone:

+ Great phone. I'd be very happy to own one.
+ Very polished interface.
+ Great App Store. Ragdoll Blaster* (and other applications)
+ iPod
+ Accessibility across the board (3GS only). VoiceOver, zoom, white on black, and so forth. Having said that, zoom isn't really usable for anything more than emergencies, VoiceOver (like most TTS systems, would probably annoy me and I certainly wouldn't be seen using it in public without headphones), and white on black has some rather odd side-effects - it changes the palette rather than the interface, so all photos and videos don't quite look right ).
+ TomTom (in the near future).
- Locked down tighter than a bank (unless Jailbroken, with the risk that brings).
- Safari uses a pixel zoom, so if text doesn't fit, you have to scroll to read every line. Having said that, some sites work better than others - BBC News gets plenty big enough before scrolling is needed, BD** just about gets big enough.
- No memory expansion or user-replaceable battery.
- Expensive.

HTC Hero/G2:

+ Great phone. I'd be very happy to own one.
+ Very customizable interface, but with a little less polish.
+ Great browser for me. Reflows text on zoom so much less left/right scrolling (at the cost of some layout oddities).
+ Memory expansion and replaceable battery.
+ Tethering (who'd have thunk that). I do of course have an O2 dongle which will remain my primary tethering choice.
- V1'ness rears its ugly head sometimes - Google Maps not doing the pinch zoom thing (licensing), and task managers killing off important HTC tasks.
- No accessibility (outside the browser). I've lived without it all these years, but now I've seen what the 3GS does, I know I want it.
- Less developed App Store. No Ragdoll Blaster*, no TomTom.
- Expensive (but much less so than the other contender).

* Yes, I do want to play Ragdoll Blaster. Given how much a certain person who shall remain nameless was laughing at it, I want some.

** Yes, if you find the right iPhone in the Liverpool ONE Apple Store, you will find Boat Drinks in the browser history. I didn't log in though for security reasons.

Kitten · 03-08-2009, 15:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark

** Yes, if you find the right iPhone in the Liverpool ONE Apple Store, you will find Boat Drinks in the browser history. I didn't log in though for security reasons.

I've been on almost all of them on BD, so pretty much any one in the store will do

Dr. Z · 03-08-2009, 21:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burble

So Apple have released 3.01 to patch the SMS bug. I've just updated my jailbroken phone without a problem but with it being jailbroken there are a few extra steps you need to go through to get all your Cydia stuff installed after the update.

If anyone is interested in how I did it I'll post up some instructions later.

The Cydia process would interest me, I have a few apps installed that way that I wouldn't mind keeping without having to faff about. Thats what has kept the update off my phone so far.

I've read that ultrasn0w still works to unlock, which is what I need as I'm not with O2.

Burble · 03-08-2009, 22:20

This worked for me and saved me the hassle of noting down applications then manually installing them but if it breaks your iPhone or causes some other problem I don't want to know about it.

It should become obvious as you read through the instructions but the way this works is that you create a list of Cydia installed applications and then re-install them. So the applications that are installed on the iPhone are deleted then re-installed. The applications will be newly installed when you're finished.

The process I went through was:

- Go into Cydia and note down any sources you've added yourself. There is probably any automated way of doing it but I only had 1 source so couldn't be arsed to look into it.

- SSH into the phone and issue this command

Code:

dpkg -l | awk '{print $2}' > installed_packages.txt

- SCP (or otherwise) that text file from the iPhone to your computer. Open the file in a text editor and delete the first few lines of crap leaving just a nice list of applications. It should be obvious what needs to be done here.

- Backup the phone in iTunes, tell it to check for software updates. Install the 3.01 update and wait. Then wait, then wait.

- After the update process has finished you are left with a phone that's been restored minus the jailbreak and associated applications. Jailbreak the phone using redsn0w making sure that you install Cydia. When asked to provide the original IPSW file you can point it to the 3.0 IPSW - you don't actually need the 3.01 IPSW.

- Go into Cydia and it should prompt you to update stuff. Tell it to upgrade everything. Install OpenSSH and apt7.

- Re-add any additional sources to Cydia.

- SCP the text file back to the iPhone.

- SSH to the phone, cd to the directory where the text file is and run this command:

Code:

apt-get install `cat installed_packages.txt`

- If you get an error saying that apt-get isn't found make sure that you installed the apt7 package through Cydia.

- Answer yes if you are asked about packages that can't be authenticated.

- Wait while the applications are downloaded and installed.

- Reboot (a respring would probably be sufficient) the phone.

- Job done.

Burble · 03-08-2009, 22:21

There is actually an application called AptBackup available in Cydia that is meant to take care of backing up and restoring Cydia applications but I found a forum thread where it only worked for about 40% of people so I decided to give it a miss, hence me coming up with my own method.

Blighter · 05-08-2009, 08:22

Check this out on your iPhone...
http://virtualgs.larwe.com/iPhone/space/

awesome

Joe 90 · 06-08-2009, 15:38

TomTom details and pricing finally

http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/06/t...iced-overseas/

Desmo · 06-08-2009, 15:52

Saw that price a while back.....no way I'd be paying that.

Burble · 06-08-2009, 15:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Desmo

Saw that price a while back.....no way I'd be paying that.

Ditto!

03-08-2009, 15:10	#602
Mark Screaming Orgasm Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Newbury Posts: 15,194	Guess that means the option to archive the files for a future jailbreak is gone then, so less urgency on me. Got a couple of questions for Daz on the HTC side of things, then I'll decide, but here's the current state of play: iPhone: + Great phone. I'd be very happy to own one. + Very polished interface. + Great App Store. Ragdoll Blaster* (and other applications) + iPod + Accessibility across the board (3GS only). VoiceOver, zoom, white on black, and so forth. Having said that, zoom isn't really usable for anything more than emergencies, VoiceOver (like most TTS systems, would probably annoy me and I certainly wouldn't be seen using it in public without headphones), and white on black has some rather odd side-effects - it changes the palette rather than the interface, so all photos and videos don't quite look right ). + TomTom (in the near future). - Locked down tighter than a bank (unless Jailbroken, with the risk that brings). - Safari uses a pixel zoom, so if text doesn't fit, you have to scroll to read every line. Having said that, some sites work better than others - BBC News gets plenty big enough before scrolling is needed, BD** just about gets big enough. - No memory expansion or user-replaceable battery. - Expensive. HTC Hero/G2: + Great phone. I'd be very happy to own one. + Very customizable interface, but with a little less polish. + Great browser for me. Reflows text on zoom so much less left/right scrolling (at the cost of some layout oddities). + Memory expansion and replaceable battery. + Tethering (who'd have thunk that). I do of course have an O2 dongle which will remain my primary tethering choice. - V1'ness rears its ugly head sometimes - Google Maps not doing the pinch zoom thing (licensing), and task managers killing off important HTC tasks. - No accessibility (outside the browser). I've lived without it all these years, but now I've seen what the 3GS does, I know I want it. - Less developed App Store. No Ragdoll Blaster, no TomTom. - Expensive (but much less so than the other contender). Yes, I do want to play Ragdoll Blaster. Given how much a certain person who shall remain nameless was laughing at it, I want some. ** Yes, if you find the right iPhone in the Liverpool ONE Apple Store, you will find Boat Drinks in the browser history. I didn't log in though for security reasons.

03-08-2009, 22:20	#605
Burble Rocket Fuel Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 7,826	This worked for me and saved me the hassle of noting down applications then manually installing them but if it breaks your iPhone or causes some other problem I don't want to know about it. It should become obvious as you read through the instructions but the way this works is that you create a list of Cydia installed applications and then re-install them. So the applications that are installed on the iPhone are deleted then re-installed. The applications will be newly installed when you're finished. The process I went through was: - Go into Cydia and note down any sources you've added yourself. There is probably any automated way of doing it but I only had 1 source so couldn't be arsed to look into it. - SSH into the phone and issue this command Code: dpkg -l \| awk '{print $2}' > installed_packages.txt - SCP (or otherwise) that text file from the iPhone to your computer. Open the file in a text editor and delete the first few lines of crap leaving just a nice list of applications. It should be obvious what needs to be done here. - Backup the phone in iTunes, tell it to check for software updates. Install the 3.01 update and wait. Then wait, then wait. - After the update process has finished you are left with a phone that's been restored minus the jailbreak and associated applications. Jailbreak the phone using redsn0w making sure that you install Cydia. When asked to provide the original IPSW file you can point it to the 3.0 IPSW - you don't actually need the 3.01 IPSW. - Go into Cydia and it should prompt you to update stuff. Tell it to upgrade everything. Install OpenSSH and apt7. - Re-add any additional sources to Cydia. - SCP the text file back to the iPhone. - SSH to the phone, cd to the directory where the text file is and run this command: Code: apt-get install `cat installed_packages.txt` - If you get an error saying that apt-get isn't found make sure that you installed the apt7 package through Cydia. - Answer yes if you are asked about packages that can't be authenticated. - Wait while the applications are downloaded and installed. - Reboot (a respring would probably be sufficient) the phone. - Job done.

05-08-2009, 08:22	#607
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06-08-2009, 15:38	#608
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06-08-2009, 15:52	#609
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03-08-2009, 09:20	#601
Burble Rocket Fuel Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 7,826	So Apple have released 3.01 to patch the SMS bug. I've just updated my jailbroken phone without a problem but with it being jailbroken there are a few extra steps you need to go through to get all your Cydia stuff installed after the update. If anyone is interested in how I did it I'll post up some instructions later.

03-08-2009, 22:21	#606
Burble Rocket Fuel Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 7,826	There is actually an application called AptBackup available in Cydia that is meant to take care of backing up and restoring Cydia applications but I found a forum thread where it only worked for about 40% of people so I decided to give it a miss, hence me coming up with my own method.