Vegetarianism - The Debate - Page 7

Stan_Lite · 25-02-2008, 11:49

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Originally Posted by Jonny69

Not much choice for mine though, she's type 1 diabetic. Insulin comes from pigs as far as I know.

I read this and thought to myself that I'd heard something to the contrary so I had a bit of a Google and found this site.

Quote:

Today, most insulins are produced using genetic engineering technology, whereby yeast or bacteria in the laboratory are modified to produce human insulin.

I'm not sure how this would work for veggies as yeast and bacteria are living organisms - they may not be killing the organisms but I'm unsure how altering them to produce insulin would fit in with the ethical aspect of vegetarianism/veganism.

Will · 25-02-2008, 11:57

You have to draw a line somewhere though. If you pick things apart enough I'm sure it could almost be proved that nothing is truly vegetarian.

Roberta · 25-02-2008, 12:02

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Originally Posted by Will

You have to draw a line somewhere though. If you pick things apart enough I'm sure it could almost be proved that nothing is truly vegetarian.

True. Even photographs are made by using gelatine at a stage in the process. It is virtually impossible to eliminate all animal products from your life 100% and it's about finding a level which you are comfortable with.

Stan_Lite · 25-02-2008, 12:37

When I was Googling for the insulin information, one of the sites I looked at was a Vegan forum. They were discussing animal derived insulin there and the consensus was that you do what you can to eliminate any animal derived products from your life but it's almost impossible to eliminate everything and still lead a healthy (as in medicines - not diet) and relatively "normal" life. Pretty much what Roberta is saying.

At the end of the day, we do what we can to survive and there has to be a limit to how far we make sacrifices to satisfy our lifestyle choices.

BBx · 25-02-2008, 12:41

I once dated a vegetarian.. didn't really make much difference and he was strictly no meat that was it and had quorn substitutes.. another one of my friends was a veg at school and kept referring to 'pig in a roll' and wouldn't eat Lozzas because of the 'crushed beetles wings'.

To which I replied they all tasted delicious!

Interestingly, both of the above mentioned are now meat eaters. I don't think they could be arsed as both their partners are meateaters.

Now, I am a fussy eater... to the point that all business lunches were pushed in my direction to be organised... but now Beatrice is here and she's not only vegetarian, but she doesn't eat ANYTHING!!! Its ridiculous...

We were in Bristol for a meeting in the office there and we went to Tapas... there were vegetarian options but she 'couldn't eat them'.

I'm sorry, but I find it incredibly frustrating... its your choice to not eat x,y,z so you should be able to either be prepared to cater for yourself or try different things.

Don't get me started on her though... she doesn't like the food/weather/shoes/doctors/dentists here... God knows why she moved to this country.

Oh... and I have another friend who drinks those protein shakes because she doesn't get it from any food... surely thats not right?

Will she start growing muscles like Will?! Lol!!!

/monday morning waffle

BB x

Belmit · 25-02-2008, 12:46

Protein shakes are a supplement i.e. you're supposed to have it in addition to the regular protein you get from nutritious food. People building muscle need more of it to feed muscle growth (and repair) so they will supplement their diet with it. I use it occasionally post-workout if I have done weights, or equivalent exercises.

Using it to replace regular protein probably isn't good in the long term, but you can get by.

BBx · 25-02-2008, 12:49

Those shakes smell gross

I think Rob takes them sometimes... but not Creatine ones because apparently that makes your Johnson shrink!

BB x

Jonny69 · 25-02-2008, 12:59

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Originally Posted by Bigstan

I read this and thought to myself that I'd heard something to the contrary so I had a bit of a Google and found this site

We determined hers wasn't synthetic and it appeared that most insulin in this country is the cheaper animal derived variety because the NHS won't pay out for anything more expensive than it has to. It's the same situation with her Crohn's disease medication - there's a number of medicines out there that will let her lead a perfectly normal life but the NHS won't pay for them so she has to settle for an outdated medication which leaves her with cramps and a number of very serious side effects later in life. It's pathetic really, but that's a different bugbear of mine.

Stan_Lite · 25-02-2008, 13:02

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Originally Posted by Jonny69

We determined hers wasn't synthetic and it appeared that most insulin in this country is the cheaper animal derived variety because the NHS won't pay out for anything more expensive than it has to. It's the same situation with her Crohn's disease medication - there's a number of medicines out there that will let her lead a perfectly normal life but the NHS won't pay for them so she has to settle for an outdated medication which leaves her with cramps and a number of very serious side effects later in life. It's pathetic really, but that's a different bugbear of mine.

NHS? Cheapskates?

Why doesn't that surprise me

Fayshun · 25-02-2008, 13:31

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Originally Posted by Carlin off of Scum

Vegetarians? I've **** 'em...

/helpful comment

25-02-2008, 11:57	#62
Will BBx woz 'ere :P Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 2,147,487,208	You have to draw a line somewhere though. If you pick things apart enough I'm sure it could almost be proved that nothing is truly vegetarian. __________________ *No No!*

25-02-2008, 12:37	#64
Stan_Lite Stan, Stan the FLASHER MAN! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: In bed with your sister Posts: 5,483	When I was Googling for the insulin information, one of the sites I looked at was a Vegan forum. They were discussing animal derived insulin there and the consensus was that you do what you can to eliminate any animal derived products from your life but it's almost impossible to eliminate everything and still lead a healthy (as in medicines - not diet) and relatively "normal" life. Pretty much what Roberta is saying. At the end of the day, we do what we can to survive and there has to be a limit to how far we make sacrifices to satisfy our lifestyle choices. __________________ Just because I have a short attention span doesn't mean I...

25-02-2008, 12:46	#66
Belmit The Mouse King of Denmark Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Winchester Posts: 6,476	Protein shakes are a supplement i.e. you're supposed to have it in addition to the regular protein you get from nutritious food. People building muscle need more of it to feed muscle growth (and repair) so they will supplement their diet with it. I use it occasionally post-workout if I have done weights, or equivalent exercises. Using it to replace regular protein probably isn't good in the long term, but you can get by. __________________

25-02-2008, 12:41	#65
BBx Reverse SuBo Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: London Posts: 8,673	I once dated a vegetarian.. didn't really make much difference and he was strictly no meat that was it and had quorn substitutes.. another one of my friends was a veg at school and kept referring to 'pig in a roll' and wouldn't eat Lozzas because of the 'crushed beetles wings'. To which I replied they all tasted delicious! Interestingly, both of the above mentioned are now meat eaters. I don't think they could be arsed as both their partners are meateaters. Now, I am a fussy eater... to the point that all business lunches were pushed in my direction to be organised... but now Beatrice is here and she's not only vegetarian, but she doesn't eat ANYTHING!!! Its ridiculous... We were in Bristol for a meeting in the office there and we went to Tapas... there were vegetarian options but she 'couldn't eat them'. I'm sorry, but I find it incredibly frustrating... its your choice to not eat x,y,z so you should be able to either be prepared to cater for yourself or try different things. Don't get me started on her though... she doesn't like the food/weather/shoes/doctors/dentists here... God knows why she moved to this country. Oh... and I have another friend who drinks those protein shakes because she doesn't get it from any food... surely thats not right? Will she start growing muscles like Will?! Lol!!! /monday morning waffle BB x

25-02-2008, 12:49	#67
BBx Reverse SuBo Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: London Posts: 8,673	Those shakes smell gross I think Rob takes them sometimes... but not Creatine ones because apparently that makes your Johnson shrink! BB x