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Old 05-11-2008, 14:48   #81
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I got up at 4am especially for it and watched that speech delivered live, even though i am half the world away, it was really something else. I have never seen such emotional and powerful speech since JKF and Martin Luther King.
I really really wanted to see it. I wanted to see the numbers tick over to see him win and history unfold before me. Annoyingly I was really dizzy and so tired that I felt like I was on drugs.
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Old 05-11-2008, 18:42   #82
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Just a quick update on Prop 8 - No evidence of an outcome yet, but it's looking like a Yes. Two other states with similar propositions have passed them, and a third has passed a ban on adoption by gay couples.
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Old 05-11-2008, 18:58   #83
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Other states are other states, California is very liberal compared to the rest. The fact that it looks like 8 is passing is unbelievable to me. Gay marriage bans also passed last night in Florida and Arizona. http://sfist.com/2008/11/05/how_did_prop_8_pass.php
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Old 05-11-2008, 19:03   #84
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This is a comment one of my friends just said publicly. I think it speaks for what a lot of we Americans are feeling right now.

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I can say I'm proud to be American, and have a straight face.

I had been thinking the world is going to end for the last 2 years. I finally feel hopeful.
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Old 05-11-2008, 20:46   #85
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Other states are other states, California is very liberal compared to the rest. The fact that it looks like 8 is passing is unbelievable to me. Gay marriage bans also passed last night in Florida and Arizona. http://sfist.com/2008/11/05/how_did_prop_8_pass.php
Not good at all.
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Old 05-11-2008, 21:08   #86
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Talk is that it's going to be going to the supreme court to be overturned as unconstitutional. Fingers crossed that the right thing will be done in the end. Then religious bigots can just suck it.
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Old 05-11-2008, 21:12   #87
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Surely everyone has the right to an opinion?
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Re The West Wing mentions: Just watching a bit on News 24 with the former speechwriter for Al Gore as well as a scriptwriter for The West Wing, and he's mentioned that the character Matt Santos (played by Jimmy Smits iirc) was based somewhat on the then Senator, Barack Obama!
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Surely everyone has the right to an opinion?
Surely. And I just shared mine. I feel very strongly about creating laws specifically aimed at excluding people from expressing themselves, and living full and happy lives.
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Old 05-11-2008, 22:46   #90
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I have both McCain's and Obama's speeches as downloadable files if anyone wants them. Let me know.
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