Addressing Muslim prejudice...

[phykell]

Originally Posted by cleanbluesky

I'd rather all discussion was related to the material presented in the news piece.

Is my comment not related to the material presented in the news article?

OK so this is pretty dramatic but it's still a real one-off and hardly representative of Muslims in general, regardless of the irony of the radio station's "mission".

[cleanbluesky]

Originally Posted by phykell

Is my comment not related to the material presented in the news article?

OK so this is pretty dramatic but it's still a real one-off and hardly representative of Muslims in general, regardless of the irony of the radio station's "mission".

Someone has yet to suggest that it IS representative of Muslims in general, what is it about this that makes you want to preemptively deny something?

[Jhadur]

Originally Posted by cleanbluesky

It tends to be illegal rather than encouraged in other cultures.

Originally Posted by cleanbluesky

Someone has yet to suggest that it IS representative of Muslims in general,

Aren't you suggesting that it's representative of muslims in general?

[cleanbluesky]

Originally Posted by Jhadur

Aren't you suggesting that it's representative of muslims in general?

I am suggesting it is prescribed in many current interpretations of Islam.

[phykell]

Originally Posted by cleanbluesky

Someone has yet to suggest that it IS representative of Muslims in general, what is it about this that makes you want to preemptively deny something?

This is not about me.

I wonder at your motivation because, and this is just an observation, you're very quick to condemn them.

[cleanbluesky]

Originally Posted by phykell

This is not about me.

I wonder at your motivation because, and this is just an observation, you're very quick to condemn them.

The speed of my condemnation is immeasurable. I am merely very frank, open and objective with my criticism - on top of that I also seem unwilling to pay selective attention in order to perceive something in Islam that is more morally appealing as some do.

[Del Lardo]

Originally Posted by cleanbluesky

I don't care about your friends. You need to study Islam a little more if you are under the impression that violence is not prescribed under certain conditions, including beating a wife for disobedience under most interpretations of sharia.



It isn't a question of a minority and I think you'll find that the idea of 'minority responsibility' is abstract. In some Muslim countries at various points, minorities have seized power have enacted their views of sharia - in Afghanistan for example, it was once illegal for a woman to laugh in public - a punishment for which she would get beaten. This was enacted by the now famous Taliban, a group which still resides in parts of Afghanistan and Pakistan.

I'm sure my friends wouldn't care much for you either

Unfortionately when the vocal minority have an Army backing them up the majority have an annoying habit of being subjugated. Look what has happened in Afghanistan since the Taliban were toppled, most of the population have welcomed the end of extreme Sharia law and the Taliban have been forced to use bases in the Pakistan border area to avoid being killed. You use the laughing example, what would happen now if a woman stood in the middle of Kabul and started laughing? I honestly don't know but I'd put a pound to a penny that apart from a few odd looks **** all would happen because the majority of Muslims have read the bit about stoning women who laugh and have chosen to ignore it because it's a bit silly or made a different interpretation to that section of the Quran and think women who laugh in public are stoned.

Originally Posted by CBS

on top of that I also seem unwilling to pay selective attention in order to perceive something in Islam that is more morally appealing as some do.

Instead you choose to pay selective attention to the parts of Islam you don't like.

Any religious book is open to massive amounts of interpretation and for the majority of Muslims their interpretation doesn't involve going round cutting off the heads of women who dare to laugh in public and declaring holy wars against those who don't believe in Allah. Instead they choose to interpret the bits which encourage them to be peaceful and get along with those around them.

[cleanbluesky]

Instead you choose to pay selective attention to the parts of Islam you don't like.

Not at all, although I will concede that the parts that I don't like are extraordinarily shocking. Also, people seem willing to accept the good parts rather than find excuses for their existence.

Any religious book is open to massive amounts of interpretation and for the majority of Muslims their interpretation doesn't involve going round cutting off the heads of women who dare to laugh in public and declaring holy wars against those who don't believe in Allah. Instead they choose to interpret the bits which encourage them to be peaceful and get along with those around them.

Simply reenforcing the idea that it is a question of majority of minority without examining the subject is an assumption. The law in the UK is the law, no-one feels the need to constantly point out that a minority of people enforce that law as if that somehow makes the idea less legitimate. In some Islamic countries, due to Islam, there are harsh breaches of human rights on the basis of widely accepted Islamic laws - for something to be unjust it doesn't mean that every single person needs to be directly involved for order for it to happen.

For example, if a KKK member has never been at a hanging, does that make him part of the 'good' KKK versus the 'bad' KKK? Anyone who wants to associate themselves to something that involves systematic and prescribed civil rights abuses is either collusive or ignorant.

[phykell]

Originally Posted by cleanbluesky

The speed of my condemnation is immeasurable. I am merely very frank, open and objective with my criticism - on top of that I also seem unwilling to pay selective attention in order to perceive something in Islam that is more morally appealing as some do.

"Those who look for the bad in people will surely find it".

[cleanbluesky]

Originally Posted by phykell

"Those who look for the bad in people will surely find it".

Does that mean anything? If you want to tolerate people who believe in violence against homosexuals and women for disobedient then you are a collusive coward at best, you are also perhaps morally worse as you have less excuse to indulge in ignorance.

Perhaps your quote should be "Those who click the BBC website..."