Welfare mothers to be forced to work

Del Lardo · 07-12-2008, 12:32

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle5299325.ece

Ignoring the utter hilarity of Brown going Tory I must it's about time something like this was implemented.

Recently ranted elsewhere about last time I was getting my hair cut I was sat next to a young lady getting an £80 hair cut who was telling the lady cutting her hair how she'd got knocked up so she could get "one of them nice flats off the council and not have to work". This was the same day I was taxed over £4000 on my gross pay.

Personally I'm sick and tired of paying for the scroungers that the welfare state has created. There are definitely people out there that need help but after ~60 years of the welfare state, a system designed to help people when they are in trouble, there are a lot of people out there that see it as their right to live off the state.

Burble · 07-12-2008, 14:41

Whilst I understand that there are people who cannot work, it boils my blood at the number of people who choose not to work. I'm fed up of paying for them to live off the state.

About bloody time.

vix · 07-12-2008, 15:11

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Originally Posted by Burble

Whilst I understand that there are people who cannot work, it boils my blood at the number of people who choose not to work. I'm fed up of paying for them to live off the state.

About bloody time.

Hear hear.

Garp · 07-12-2008, 17:48

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Originally Posted by Burble

Whilst I understand that there are people who cannot work, it boils my blood at the number of people who choose not to work. I'm fed up of paying for them to live off the state.

About bloody time.

Agreed.
I'm pretty left wing in my political views, but I'm firmly of the opinion that if you're actually capable of aiding society, you damn well should be. Most importantly though, you shouldn't be the one that makes the decision whether you're capable of it. Our local government is always short of staff in various areas, like street cleaners and so on. Nothing to stop most of those lazy slack-arsed scroungers from cleaning streets. Hell, any bloke under the age of 25 that is on benefits for more than 6 months ought to be conscripted.

cheets · 07-12-2008, 20:23

I think this recession has hit hard that the people actually making this country tick (the working class) are being shafted, high house prices in my village you are talking at least £100k for a bog standard terraced house even private owned ex council homes were selling for £130k last year, literally impossible to get social housing, people who have worked for years should be at top of the list for homes and benefits not people who have never worked.

Not all council estates are tarred with "wont work people" but you can spot an area that has young single mothers and tear away kids from the area and the huge ASBO, simply people who work for a living and pay rent/mortgage keep the area nice and act like normal people.

Mark · 07-12-2008, 22:18

I agree with the principle - can't be bothered good-for-nothings do my nut in just as much as the next taxpayer, but maybe now isn't the right time.

If it was a choice between one of these fools being forced to take a job and that same job being available for someone who actually wants to work but can't find anything, I know which option I'd prefer, every time, because it's pretty obvious who will get the job done and who will deny the genuine worker and still try to skive.

Of course, cutting their benefits off, period, would remove the need for this discussion.

mejinks · 07-12-2008, 22:48

Thats all very well, but with it costing 70 quid + a week for childcare, who will pay? The government? The parent?

Its says that the government will "assist" What does that mean? Single mothers who have a hard enough time on their own will be forced into being separated from their children? Why not have gulags? Hey, shall we change the union jack to a swastika? This sort of thing specifically stigmatises single mothers.

What about where there is a couple, but one has to stay at home because its cheaper than paying for childcare?

There is a definite need for reform, but this smacks of the typical out of touch way that this government dictates and is very ill conceived.

Garp · 07-12-2008, 22:56

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Originally Posted by mejinks

What about where there is a couple, but one has to stay at home because its cheaper than paying for childcare?

How many of those parents are on welfare? My understanding of it is that having a working partner would make you ineligible for welfare? I'm firmly of the view that one or other parent should stay home to raise the kids, at least until they're at secondary school age.

vix · 07-12-2008, 23:35

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Originally Posted by mejinks

Thats all very well, but with it costing 70 quid + a week for childcare, who will pay? The government? The parent?

How about people wait til they can actually afford to have kids? Two birds, one stone.

mejinks · 08-12-2008, 00:54

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Originally Posted by vix

How about people wait til they can actually afford to have kids? Two birds, one stone.

Sometimes it not just that easy, it just happens. Don't get me wrong, I think that people who are capable of working should. Its just we shouldn't be victimising single mothers who are in their situation by choice or not.

How many more bad ideas is this government going to come up with before they force people into open revolt?

07-12-2008, 12:32	#1
Del Lardo Absinthe Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cambridge Posts: 2,539	Welfare mothers to be forced to work http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle5299325.ece Ignoring the utter hilarity of Brown going Tory I must it's about time something like this was implemented. Recently ranted elsewhere about last time I was getting my hair cut I was sat next to a young lady getting an £80 hair cut who was telling the lady cutting her hair how she'd got knocked up so she could get "one of them nice flats off the council and not have to work". This was the same day I was taxed over £4000 on my gross pay. Personally I'm sick and tired of paying for the scroungers that the welfare state has created. There are definitely people out there that need help but after ~60 years of the welfare state, a system designed to help people when they are in trouble, there are a lot of people out there that see it as their right to live off the state.

07-12-2008, 14:41	#2
Burble Rocket Fuel Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 7,826	Whilst I understand that there are people who cannot work, it boils my blood at the number of people who choose not to work. I'm fed up of paying for them to live off the state. About bloody time.

07-12-2008, 20:23	#5
cheets Long Island Iced Tea Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 442	I think this recession has hit hard that the people actually making this country tick (the working class) are being shafted, high house prices in my village you are talking at least £100k for a bog standard terraced house even private owned ex council homes were selling for £130k last year, literally impossible to get social housing, people who have worked for years should be at top of the list for homes and benefits not people who have never worked. Not all council estates are tarred with "wont work people" but you can spot an area that has young single mothers and tear away kids from the area and the huge ASBO, simply people who work for a living and pay rent/mortgage keep the area nice and act like normal people.

07-12-2008, 22:18	#6
Mark Screaming Orgasm Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Newbury Posts: 15,194	I agree with the principle - can't be bothered good-for-nothings do my nut in just as much as the next taxpayer, but maybe now isn't the right time. If it was a choice between one of these fools being forced to take a job and that same job being available for someone who actually wants to work but can't find anything, I know which option I'd prefer, every time, because it's pretty obvious who will get the job done and who will deny the genuine worker and still try to skive. Of course, cutting their benefits off, period, would remove the need for this discussion.