Children And How They Are Brought Up.

Von Smallhausen · 14-11-2010, 14:24

Someone I know works for the NHS as a nurse in a children's ward.

I was told an interesting story when a young female child was admitted with an ailment and had her parents with her, described as ' chavs ' who did not work, seemingly had no intention of working and looked the part complete with with formerly desirable sportswear.

Anyway, the person I know saw the father with his daughter in the ward room and a police car was heard nearby with the sirens wailing.

The father asked the child what that noise was ad the child, about 3 years old, said ' Nee nar pigs. ' Basically the sound heard and who was in the car. This was met with laughter and praise from the father.

To add a flip side, my dad was a bit of a ' lad ' when he was younger although he died 6 years ago. He was beer and fight man during his younger days who was no fan of the police yet he was a good man at the same time and brought me and my siblings up well and wouldn't stand for any disrespect shown to others. His dislike of the police was never passed onto me by him. He also didn't blink when I said I was applying for the cops and indeed was very supportive, even paying 2 grand for me to get short sightedness corrected as my vision beforehand did not meet the requirements needed.

It seems to me that he is priming her to follow in her footsteps as one of societies takers and not a contributor although I hope I am wrong.

I would be interested in peoples' thoughts on this. Is it right that someone should effectively brainwash a child at such a young age to dislike the police or the authorities ?

Fayshun · 15-11-2010, 08:48

I would say I'm gobsmacked, but sadly I'm not.

volospian · 15-11-2010, 09:20

I'm going to sound just a tad to the right when I say this, but I don't think people should be allowed to have children unless they can prove suitable as parents. Not just suitable AS parents, in being caring, loving, respectable, law abiding and so on, but able to provide for their kids financially and not have to rely upon state handouts.

And yes, I know that if this sort of rule were here in the 60's I would probably not be here now to advocate this approach, but is the world a better place with me (and many others like me) in it? *shrugs* there's no evidence to suggest that it is...

Tiggy · 15-11-2010, 12:16

Thing is, it doesn't matter what we ourselves teach our kids, they learn off of other adults who are involved in their lives and their friends and family too.

I was most astonished when my 6 year old came out with the phrase 'Damn it' this morning on the way to school- it's not a phrase I use.

As for the rule mentioned about being suitable as parents, I can think of many working parents who I feel should have been 'done' before they had kids. I'm caring, respectable, law abiding and so on, but I do rely on state benefits. So I don't think that rule is one that would work.

Kitten · 15-11-2010, 17:39

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

As for the rule mentioned about being suitable as parents, I can think of many working parents who I feel should have been 'done' before they had kids. I'm caring, respectable, law abiding and so on, but I do rely on state benefits. So I don't think that rule is one that would work.

I agree with the concept of having some sort of test, but as you have demonstrated, it's not always as black and white as people would like it to be. It would be lovely if we could somehow make sure that children were born to 'good parents', but it's never going to be possible because who has the right to define good/bad parents before a child is born? No-one - and you'd be carried screaming blue murder all the way to the Court of Human Rights before you'd finished your sentence.

Oh and Von, I think it's disgusting. Absolutely despicable to bring a child up to hate the authorities.

Desmo · 16-11-2010, 08:17

You're right Von, it's sad and wrong, but what can we all do about it? Is she just another teenage tearaway in the making? Let's hope not, although with a father teaching their child that type of thing, her future could be looking grim

I just don't understand some people at times.

Tiggy · 16-11-2010, 12:32

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Originally Posted by Kitten

I agree with the concept of having some sort of test, but as you have demonstrated, it's not always as black and white as people would like it to be. It would be lovely if we could somehow make sure that children were born to 'good parents', but it's never going to be possible because who has the right to define good/bad parents before a child is born? No-one - and you'd be carried screaming blue murder all the way to the Court of Human Rights before you'd finished your sentence.

Exactly. And I know people who I thought wouldn't hack it at all whether it be with a first or second child, and they've proved me wrong and I wish I could be more like them.

My kids are excelling academically, and I take great pride in that as I spend as much time as I possibly can helping with homework and providing out of school learning. I know it is something that would become more limited if I were in the position to work.

We are wedged into a community of people who generally do not respect authority or eachother. But my children are for the most part respectful and mindful of authority and other people.

Sadly authorities like the police have only recently been presenting themselves in a positive manner. It is good now because the kids are able to form their own opinions. My experience with the Lincolnshire police has been that they are rude, disrespectful and take any opportunity to intimidate a law abiding citizen whenever they see a chance.

But I would never impose my impressions upon my kids.

14-11-2010, 14:24	#1
Von Smallhausen I'm Free Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Tyneside Posts: 3,061	Children And How They Are Brought Up. Someone I know works for the NHS as a nurse in a children's ward. I was told an interesting story when a young female child was admitted with an ailment and had her parents with her, described as ' chavs ' who did not work, seemingly had no intention of working and looked the part complete with with formerly desirable sportswear. Anyway, the person I know saw the father with his daughter in the ward room and a police car was heard nearby with the sirens wailing. The father asked the child what that noise was ad the child, about 3 years old, said ' Nee nar pigs. ' Basically the sound heard and who was in the car. This was met with laughter and praise from the father. To add a flip side, my dad was a bit of a ' lad ' when he was younger although he died 6 years ago. He was beer and fight man during his younger days who was no fan of the police yet he was a good man at the same time and brought me and my siblings up well and wouldn't stand for any disrespect shown to others. His dislike of the police was never passed onto me by him. He also didn't blink when I said I was applying for the cops and indeed was very supportive, even paying 2 grand for me to get short sightedness corrected as my vision beforehand did not meet the requirements needed. It seems to me that he is priming her to follow in her footsteps as one of societies takers and not a contributor although I hope I am wrong. I would be interested in peoples' thoughts on this. Is it right that someone should effectively brainwash a child at such a young age to dislike the police or the authorities ? __________________ " Well, old bean, life is really so bloody awful that I feel it’s my absolute duty to be chirpy and try and make everybody else happy too." David Niven, 1910-1983.

15-11-2010, 08:48	#2
Fayshun Rocket Fuel Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Adrift in the Orca Posts: 6,845	I would say I'm gobsmacked, but sadly I'm not. __________________ We must move forward not backward, upwards not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling...

15-11-2010, 12:16	#4
Tiggy Absinthe Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Lincoln Posts: 1,059	Thing is, it doesn't matter what we ourselves teach our kids, they learn off of other adults who are involved in their lives and their friends and family too. I was most astonished when my 6 year old came out with the phrase 'Damn it' this morning on the way to school- it's not a phrase I use. As for the rule mentioned about being suitable as parents, I can think of many working parents who I feel should have been 'done' before they had kids. I'm caring, respectable, law abiding and so on, but I do rely on state benefits. So I don't think that rule is one that would work. __________________

16-11-2010, 08:17	#6
Desmo The Last Airbender Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Pigmopad Posts: 11,915	You're right Von, it's sad and wrong, but what can we all do about it? Is she just another teenage tearaway in the making? Let's hope not, although with a father teaching their child that type of thing, her future could be looking grim I just don't understand some people at times. __________________

15-11-2010, 09:20	#3
volospian Vodka Martini Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 786	I'm going to sound just a tad to the right when I say this, but I don't think people should be allowed to have children unless they can prove suitable as parents. Not just suitable AS parents, in being caring, loving, respectable, law abiding and so on, but able to provide for their kids financially and not have to rely upon state handouts. And yes, I know that if this sort of rule were here in the 60's I would probably not be here now to advocate this approach, but is the world a better place with me (and many others like me) in it? shrugs there's no evidence to suggest that it is...