No wonder the jails are full

Mark · 21-12-2006, 15:21

Just got this from Thames Valley Police:

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At approx. 5.15 pm on 15 December, a young female knocked on a door at ******* ********** in Kennet Road and asked for a tissue as she was having a nosebleed. As the resident went to get a tissue, she saw a young boy crawling around on the floor. She shouted at them and they ran off but afterwards found that a purse had been stolen. Description of female is white, 15 yrs, 5' tall, mousey hair just below the ears and she was wearing a dress with no coat.

15 year olds (and younger by the sounds of things) committing burglaries? Don't get me wrong, I knew it happened, but that's a bit too close to home for my liking. I haven't had any carol singers around yet, but if I do, the door will be going on the chain when I go to find a contribution.

Welshy · 21-12-2006, 17:27

I'm a bit confused as to what happened. As the resident went to get a tissue, the lady with the nosebleed stole something from the house?

Von Smallhausen · 21-12-2006, 20:34

Distraction burglary.

It is quite common and a ruse if for them to target old folks. One will knock on the door and make up a cock and bull story like above while another sneaks in.

It is despicable, even more so against the elderley.

I remember a few years back I was babysitting a suicidal prisoner who is a maniac to say the least. As it turns out he knows I am alright with him and there is kind of a mutual respect and I turned out to a job once where he was about to scrap with half a dozen cops ( and without CS and batons probably beat them ) and he saw me and I said ' John, no. Stick your hands out mate. ' He did and became compliant, wanting a cigarette and something to eat in return. He got it.

Anyway, John was in the cells and he got wind that there were a couple of distraction burglars in the cells also who targeted old people and John shouts ' Boss ...... ' I get to him. ' Yes John ? '

He looks me right in the eye and said. ' Boss .... give me 2 minutes in the cell with them, just two minutes boss. '

Clearly I couldn't do that but as an old school lag with morals believe it or not, he would have killed them and I mean kill them. Anyone who targets old and vulnerable people is a target for people like John.

I couldn't do it but believe me the human nature side of you says it would be rough justice.

Mark · 21-12-2006, 20:44

Same with those who target children. Anyone who targets the vulnerable (be they young or old) is the scum of the earth in prison, and I believe it's common for them to need protection from other inmates.

Anyway, in this case I was more concerned with the age of those committing the crime than the means they used to commit it.

Von Smallhausen · 21-12-2006, 21:57

^^

My bad.

I have seen people as young as 14 commit burglaries and rarely with any remorse.

Dymetrie · 21-12-2006, 22:10

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Originally Posted by Von_Smallhausen

^^

My bad.

I have seen people as young as 14 commit burglaries and rarely with any remorse.

I'm gonna agree with Kev completely here.

The majority of the Anti-Social Behaviour that I see every day is committed by teenagers <16 years old. Be it just generally causing a nuisance or stealing pushbikes/mopeds then it's there.

The other kind of ASB (ooo look, I acronymed it) tends to be rough sleeping and street drinking, which is usually not too bad (although the entirety of Camden is now a Controlled Drinking Zone) but then there are the odd few who are incredibly aggressive and unpleasant. And even these individuals are nowhere near as bad as the kids.

I've had people spot the cameras following them. Most people become slightly furtive, most of the street drinkers/rough sleepers become very furtive, it's the kids that start shouting, screaming and swearing at the cameras. If they weren't the little ****s that they are then there'd be no reason for me to be keeping an eye on them (there was actually a group that I started watching because they looked slightly dodgy who were known to the Street Wardens and so when they spotted the camera just waved as they knew I wasn't being vindictive).

As some of the guys at the Swansea meet know then I have seen some absolutely disgusting things in my time behind the screens, but the things which I find the most outrageous are usually what the youth of today get up to.

Daz · 21-12-2006, 22:13

I know it's part of your job to an extent Dym, but do you find yourself quick to judge groups of young'uns now, having seen some of the things you've seen? Or can you spot the troublemakers from everyone else, despite looking similar to someone like me?

Not judging, or saying I dont, just curious

Dymetrie · 21-12-2006, 22:19

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Originally Posted by Daz

I know it's part of your job to an extent Dym, but do you find yourself quick to judge groups of young'uns now, having seen some of the things you've seen? Or can you spot the troublemakers from everyone else, despite looking similar to someone like me?

Not judging, or saying I dont, just curious

I actually find it a lot easier than some (well one) of the street wardens to actually differentiate between just a group of kids and a group of kids who are likely to be causing problems.

A lot of this is due to the intelligence which has been passed on to me from the other street wardens about who most of the trouble makers are and who they are likely to be 'hanging about' with.

I'm not always right though, as I said with the group who were actually friends with the street wardens. It's more to do with what they're doing and where they are. There are some notorious hotspots for the wannabe gangsters in Camden and just by watching those areas and seeing what people do there then it's fairly easy to spot who is nefarious and who is not.

Then there's the obvious things like 2 lads on a pushbike, one of whom has an odd bulge in the back of his jacket and is carrying a motorcycle helmet (these guys aren't too smart when they go out looking to steal mopeds

).

mejinks · 02-01-2007, 15:12

When I worked in 118uk, this guy cycled in off the street and then proceeded to try and break into one of the cars in the car park. As I was on one of my wanders, I caught sight through the window and myself and the security guard gave chase but lost the little streak of ****. We report it to the police etc and found his bike.

The stupid little ****** only tried to claim it an hour later! He walked up bold as brass to the security desk and tells the guard he left it leaning up against the wall and it had gone. The guard signalled to me and asked if I had seen it, I phoned the police at that point, who fair play came out straight away while we talked to this dumb little ****

It was a bad night for him, not only did he get arrested, his bike was never returned either.

Von Smallhausen · 02-01-2007, 23:22

^^

Pwnt !

21-12-2006, 17:27	#2
Welshy Long Island Iced Tea Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Beds / Staffs Posts: 218	I'm a bit confused as to what happened. As the resident went to get a tissue, the lady with the nosebleed stole something from the house? __________________

21-12-2006, 20:34	#3
Von Smallhausen I'm Free Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Tyneside Posts: 3,061	Distraction burglary. It is quite common and a ruse if for them to target old folks. One will knock on the door and make up a cock and bull story like above while another sneaks in. It is despicable, even more so against the elderley. I remember a few years back I was babysitting a suicidal prisoner who is a maniac to say the least. As it turns out he knows I am alright with him and there is kind of a mutual respect and I turned out to a job once where he was about to scrap with half a dozen cops ( and without CS and batons probably beat them ) and he saw me and I said ' John, no. Stick your hands out mate. ' He did and became compliant, wanting a cigarette and something to eat in return. He got it. Anyway, John was in the cells and he got wind that there were a couple of distraction burglars in the cells also who targeted old people and John shouts ' Boss ...... ' I get to him. ' Yes John ? ' He looks me right in the eye and said. ' Boss .... give me 2 minutes in the cell with them, just two minutes boss. ' Clearly I couldn't do that but as an old school lag with morals believe it or not, he would have killed them and I mean kill them. Anyone who targets old and vulnerable people is a target for people like John. I couldn't do it but believe me the human nature side of you says it would be rough justice. __________________ " Well, old bean, life is really so bloody awful that I feel it’s my absolute duty to be chirpy and try and make everybody else happy too." David Niven, 1910-1983.

21-12-2006, 21:57	#5
Von Smallhausen I'm Free Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Tyneside Posts: 3,061	^^ My bad. I have seen people as young as 14 commit burglaries and rarely with any remorse. __________________ " Well, old bean, life is really so bloody awful that I feel it’s my absolute duty to be chirpy and try and make everybody else happy too." David Niven, 1910-1983.

21-12-2006, 22:13	#7
Daz The Stig Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Swad! Posts: 10,713	I know it's part of your job to an extent Dym, but do you find yourself quick to judge groups of young'uns now, having seen some of the things you've seen? Or can you spot the troublemakers from everyone else, despite looking similar to someone like me? Not judging, or saying I dont, just curious __________________ apt-get moo

02-01-2007, 23:22	#10
Von Smallhausen I'm Free Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Tyneside Posts: 3,061	^^ Pwnt ! __________________ " Well, old bean, life is really so bloody awful that I feel it’s my absolute duty to be chirpy and try and make everybody else happy too." David Niven, 1910-1983.

21-12-2006, 20:44	#4
Mark Screaming Orgasm Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Newbury Posts: 15,194	Same with those who target children. Anyone who targets the vulnerable (be they young or old) is the scum of the earth in prison, and I believe it's common for them to need protection from other inmates. Anyway, in this case I was more concerned with the age of those committing the crime than the means they used to commit it.